Money Missing From Poker Accounts

[wonderwes]

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http://www.pokerhand.org/?251292
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251297

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That is hard core theft. Anyone can see it was clearly hacked.

[pudley4]

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So, not to be a jerk or anything, but could Peachy or someone explain what actually happened to her, rather than just saying stuff like "it's 10000000% certain her money was stolen by a hacker"? Was it the same thing that happened to the playerlogin people or something different?

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http://www.pokerhand.org/?251227
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251229
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251230
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251232
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251234
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251292
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251295
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251297

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Why is tealninja sitting at the table for the last 5 of these hands? Is that suspicious to anyone else?

[Jibbs]

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Impossible. I'm no database expert but I own a small video-gaming community. My database expert has explained on numerous occassions that forum software and other other registration type stuff is all encrypted. Not even the the guy looking directly at the code can see your password.

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Your database expert may be referring to your system in general but this is not necessarily the norm. You would be suprised at how many systems (some with major companies) just write passwords directly in the database with no encryption on them.

Many times security is an afterthought in these companies, many times thinking that nobody will look directly into the database except the people we have working here, and they trust them. Sooner or later though somebody gets access to the data that should not and then there is trouble.

Also, some websites may be set up maliciously just to collect usernames and passwords. They offer some trivial service or contest entry for free if you sign up and then try out the user name and password supplied on every public site available. A popular scam like this is when you get an email asking you to login to your bank account to change some information and they provide a link, but instead of a link to your banks website, to a website that looks just like it and is hosted on their server.

It is not even enough just to encrypt the password using one of the many encryptions protocols out there because somebody who knows the key could simply write a program to decrypt everything. Proper security for sites involves creating a one-way hash of the password that cannot be deciphered and storing that in the database. Sometimes it is done and sometimes it is not. But it comes back to what was stated earlier. Do not use the same password across many different sites. You will probably get burned sooner or later.

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I have pulled all of my money out of Party and will not be going back until they fix this.

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This is dumb. Get a firewall and keep patches updated, problem solved.

wacki

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Its actually a bit more involved than this Wacki, the end user must be diligent in weekly (at a minimum) virus scans with an application released for the 2006, which is updated on a regular basis automatically (I recommend weekly by-hand updates as well, Norton for example is famous for updates that occasionally fail).

I doubt very much we will hear about any computer savvy peoples whose accounts will be hacked.

PS: Peachy... I'm sorry to hear you were hacked. That really sucks.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[kurosh]

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Email I sent to PP
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Several people I know have had their accounts hacked recently and there have been VERY clear cases of chip dumping, all to the same person. Anyone with half a brain and a mediocre understanding of poker could see what has happened. If these issues are not resolved, I do not feel safe with my money on Party Poker. Until these issues are resolved, I will be playing on Poker Stars, where my money is secure and their support can speak and understand english. Please forward this to your manager.

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Excellent.

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Their response:

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Dear Kurosh,

Thank you for contacting us.

We do understand and respect your concern and in this particular case.

We do understand and respect your concern and in this particular case
As you may already know, we are licensed and regulated by the Government of Gibraltar and adhere to their strict rules to ensure system trust, safety and reliability. Further our games are independently tested by a leading gaming software testing laboratory, iTech Labs, to ensure that the games operate correctly, are fair, their outcomes are not predictable and that the system is reliable, resilient and otherwise up to the highest standards of software integrity, including: change control mechanism recording, access control, fingerprinting the executables and regular monitoring of critical components of the system. In short, when playing at our site you may rest assured that we take your protection as well as our own seriously.

PartyPoker.com payment system uses 128-bit encryption, certified by Thawte to ensure the highest level of privacy and confidentiality of your data.

I wish to bring to your attention section 18 of the Terms and Conditions of Use. We are sorry about your funds being abused, but PartyPoker.com cannot take responsibility for a third party gaining access to your information other than it being a company error.
http://www.partypoker.com/about_us/l...formation.html

At this point we request you to secure all your login information at your side and also audit your security periodically for the safety of your funds.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you with your account related questions and suggestions.

Sincerely,

Smita
Investigations Team for Poker
alerts@partypoker.com


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...I am really pissed off.

[ColdCaller]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post4837360

I hope this helps.

[sublime]

thanks coldcaller

[peachy]

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Peachy, what security measures do you have on your computer?

-Do you run any sort of virus scan?
-Do you run any sort of a spyware scan?
-Do you have a firewall?
-Do you use "strong" passwords?
-Do you leave your computer on all the time, or the Party client open all the time?


Many are curious.

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Mine is mediumly well protected I think, my best friend - AviD - helps me keep stuff up to date and others I know have given me programs to run to keep things up to speed (adware and something else, with a few other things). The only thing I don't think i have is a firewall. And my PWs consists of words and numbers so they arent that easy to figure out...other than that matt would have to tell u what my system has on it...im awful with computers. But he had me purchase a virus thingy a bit back when mine ran out and walked me thru it...so i dunno

and no party does not remain open, not any time recently.

When this happened I came home b/w a break played for a few then left and CLOSED party (no reason for it to be left on anymore with the new software). So unlike a few others recently mine was 100% CLOSED if that makes a difference. Party even said they could see that it came from another IP, but still i feel they dont really care and arent being very helpful [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] and this was over 10k that was taken

[peachy]

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So, not to be a jerk or anything, but could Peachy or someone explain what actually happened to her, rather than just saying stuff like "it's 10000000% certain her money was stolen by a hacker"? Was it the same thing that happened to the playerlogin people or something different?

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Ill give a quick summary...b/c ive explained it a ton of times in the past few days, im totally exshaused, have been on the phone with them for hours, have midterms, and a million other BS things going wrong.

Basically, I came home during a break and played poker yesterday at about 1pm. I left for classes by around 130pm to perpare for a presentation a few mins early. I hadn't slept the nite before (school related) so when I came home I watched half a movie and feel alseep around 6pm (hadnt gotten back on the computer by then)

At about 11pm I got woken up to some bad news from Matt, needless to say I couldnt go back to sleep and laid in bed for a big, finally I decided to get up and study for my midterm a little and play one table of poker (as if any of you care about all this). So at about 230am I logged on, and my account said $0. I thought i must be out of it from being upset earlier, so i opened an empty table and tried to sit - no funds avaliable. I halfway start to panic, and the software is new so the only thing I can find right away is transaction history - I check it, nothing abnormal.

At this point I am boarderline very confused and thinking ok ok its fine its a glitch, some people tell me to get my HHs emailed to me, I do this almost immediately. The ones at the top were mine from my session on break, so I am like ok see its fine its a glitch, relog in, so I did, and then I scrolled down in my email.

30 hands down i see NL, NL, NL, NL, NL, NL - and for those of you who know me I have never played anything over 20/40 or 30/60 and my main game is 10/20, and for almost 2 years I have played strictly limit online. Immediately my mind goes back to someone elses comment about this happening to them from IRC, when they said it i thought NOTHING about it cause I thought I was safe and never heard or read anything about this kind of stuff happening (if i HAD i would have only kept what I play with in there, I always assumed my money was safe there, since I know people who keep 100k's in thier accounts).

Basically I called party right away, and explained the situation. They said they would investigate but couldn't promise anything and kept pressing the point that I had to have given out my PW, and to explain to them that if I didn't how someone got on my computer, I didn't even know where to start b/c i am very computer illiterate. In addition I called PayPro and informed them of the situation b/c I found out that someone who had this happen a week ago had some of the SAME people in thier game and he was told it would be investgated and as of now nothing has been done with his issue, and obviously they didnt take it THAT serious since the SAME people were at my table doing this with my account a WEEK LATER, so my confidence in them taking my issue seriously greatly declined.

I am still in shock over this, and a bit suprised they are treating this the way they are with it being over 10k. They keep saying we will have answers for your in 24 hrs I call back today, they said give us another 24 to 48 hrs, I said by then my money will be out of thier accounts, etc etc.


So yeah a little longer than I intended, but bottom line this sucks, and yesterday was a very horrible day.....

[peachy]

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So, not to be a jerk or anything, but could Peachy or someone explain what actually happened to her, rather than just saying stuff like "it's 10000000% certain her money was stolen by a hacker"? Was it the same thing that happened to the playerlogin people or something different?

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http://www.pokerhand.org/?251227
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251229
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251230
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251232
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251234
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251292
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251295
http://www.pokerhand.org/?251297

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thx...that saved me a ton of work, there are more but those are all I could bring myself to post on pokerhand last night during me being upset.

Anyone who knows me would know its crazy for me to be at NL at all outside of a few tourneys here and there, additionally I have never ever ever played this retarded. And if I get some email from party saying that my play wasnt irregular I have almost 2 years worth of data that proves the total opposite [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

God this makes me sick....