wow wtf. 1/2 - Page 5

Stealthy · #41 02-10-2007, 02:18 PM

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The river is a good fold for sure i think.

You guys really think he is value pushing a queen on this river????? LOLOLOL. This is a 2 or 44 always.

Kil, I think the fold is good, but I would ALWAYS lead river here

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Spot on analysis. Bet/fold is a lot safer here as he will have the queen a certain percentage of the time with the line taken but is far less likely to raise without 44 or quads. I would have led for $70 and folded to a push but called a min-raise.

Kilillan · #42 02-10-2007, 02:30 PM

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The river is a good fold for sure i think.

You guys really think he is value pushing a queen on this river????? LOLOLOL. This is a 2 or 44 always.

Kil, I think the fold is good, but I would ALWAYS lead river here

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Spot on analysis. Bet/fold is a lot safer here as he will have the queen a certain percentage of the time with the line taken but is far less likely to raise without 44 or quads. I would have led for $70 and folded to a push but called a min-raise.

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yes, I think that would've and should've been my line.

Proof I'm playing bad.

Dan Bitel · #43 02-10-2007, 02:33 PM

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why would he push a queen on the river? Seriously, wtf?

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Because ZOMG I have a FULL HOUSE with the highest card on the board!

I think you're over-thinking this.

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dude, get off your high horse and at least put yourself in villain's shoes. Even bad players DO think about how strong their hand is, and what hand you will call with etc. And when they OVERBET PUSH rivers, its the nuts like 90%+ of the time.

If he's pushing a queen, its b/c he thinks he's going to get called by a worse hand. he doesnt think like this. If he has a queen, he's bet smaller, get some value from JJ or something

orange · #44 02-10-2007, 03:49 PM

I would almost always bet the river for value, but as played, I'm not really sure.

terp · #45 02-10-2007, 03:56 PM

kil when i am running bad i tend to compound it by making bad calls with good hands (like this) when the action should indicate another option being better. good fold, but b/f is wayyyy better

Kowalski · #46 02-10-2007, 04:24 PM

I'd be much more inclined to fold to this push if I had bet the river.

Since we didn't [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]... I can see myself calling this.

Requin · #47 02-10-2007, 04:58 PM

Bet river yourself, maybe zeebo, and now you CALL!!!!!!!
Do you guys seriously never see queens do this? I do, often. I don't even hate the play on villain's part if he does have a queen, as in his shoes I wouldn't ever assume that a hand better than a Q checks the river.

aislephive · #48 02-10-2007, 05:15 PM

Why would you ever check the river?

Cap_Of_Water · #49 02-10-2007, 05:59 PM

i skimmed over this yesterday and just realized that the river was a 3rd 2 to the board. I really cant see folding this. yeh his AF is low but how many hands is it over? Also its easy for villian to think that he is either chopping or winning. I think going for a check raise is fine if you think he's gonna bet since he never folds a Q here. BUT i think one of my biggest leaks is assuming all donks are more retarted than they are and, which leads me to worse calls than this, but im still not sure since my assumptions are validated so often...

BGnight · #50 02-10-2007, 06:42 PM

Villian would never expect us to check KK,AA on this river, thus he thinks his Q is the nuts. I wouldn't get all excited about villian's 1.5 aggression stats. How big a sample is this? He seems like a bad player, and a bad player is gonna think he has you crushed after you check river showing weakness.
And sure he could have 44 or AA, but I'm never folding this here.