KK vs. DJ Sensei: Live $5/$10 - Page 5

FireStorm · #41 01-05-2007, 03:18 AM

Please don't fold preflop. 5 betting preflop is entirely plausible. On this flop, it's a raise or fold spot, and I don't mind raising. I agree that the key issue is whether or not you think Sensei is capable of betting this flop empty.

ilya · #42 01-05-2007, 03:26 AM

I would shove flop over calling...I think he'd be unlikely to bluff the turn again when you'll only have $1100 behind in an $1860 pot...meanwhile he could have 3 outs with an Ace or more with a hand like T8 or T9

Or mebbe 5-bet overbet shove preflop?

Also...is it really so cut&dry that OP can't have anything but big pairs after flat-calling the pf 4-bet? can't he at the least have any pair...$240 to call with $2200 to win & position & deception OTLT

aislephive · #43 01-05-2007, 03:37 AM

WTF it's not raise or fold at all.

Honestly people ...

Praetor · #44 01-05-2007, 03:46 AM

i think doing anything other than calling this flop is horrible

Triumph36 · #45 01-05-2007, 04:13 AM

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i think doing anything other than calling this flop regardless of your holding is horrible

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Go_Blue88 · #46 01-05-2007, 04:54 AM

i don't get why everyone is so eager to say that you're behind.

i call and hope to get it in on the turn.

AK47Suited · #47 01-05-2007, 04:57 AM

5 bet pre flop, get it in holla

as played call flop let him bluff

MYNAMEIZGREG · #48 01-05-2007, 05:36 AM

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5 bet pre flop, get it in holla

as played call flop let him bluff

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psyduck · #49 01-05-2007, 07:42 AM

5-BETTING PRE IS SO BAD WITH 200 BBS. YEAH DJ IS INSTA-STACKING OFF THAT MUCH WITH QQ AND AK RIGHT.

He will get it in with AA only and fold his QQ/JJ and AK type hands. It's not like there's been a ton of history between you and him (him 3-betting you consistently or 4-betting). The only noticeable history thus far is that OP has 3-bet the other tight villain's open twice (both of which didn't involve Sensei).

5-betting with 200 bb's is soooooooooo bad.

luckychewy · #50 01-05-2007, 07:47 AM

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5-BETTING PRE IS SO BAD WITH 200 BBS. YEAH DJ IS INSTA-STACKING OFF THAT MUCH WITH QQ AND AK RIGHT.

He will get it in with AA only and fold his QQ/JJ and AK type hands. It's not like there's been a ton of history between you and him (him 3-betting you consistently or 4-betting). The only noticeable history thus far is that OP has 3-bet the other tight villain's open twice (both of which didn't involve Sensei).

5-betting with 200 bb's is soooooooooo bad.

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i couldn't disagree more. if dj 4-bets here with ak/qq/jj it better be with the intention to get ai. that being said, i think his range is aa or air, i feel like he wouldn't make this play with ak/qq/jj with no history for the simple reason that he wouldn't expect bj to get it in with worse. so, i agree 5-betting pf is bad, but not for the same reason you think it is. as it is i would call flop and probably call turn.