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I can believe that. However, pulling the cards out of a player's hand??? What if it was caught on tape, too, by some random occurrence? Or what if someone just happened to turn around and glimpse it at the last split second?

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The dealer was brave. Also when someone deals where they have constant abuse, they are not the concerned about losing their job. Things are a lot better now, but there were places just a few years ago that would allow the players to abuse the dealers for sport. I remember an incident that took place in the summer of 2001 where I called for the floor 3 times in one down becasue each time a player was getting more out of control. The fourth time the players called for the floor because I was bleeding on the table where the player had just cut my face. If the floor had chosen to deal withi the palyer the first three times I told him he was out of line this never would have occurred. He had two cards, the first one he threw I knocked away with my hand and the second one I was able to block and it cut me in the face. Had that one missed he would have gotten another chance the next hand to throw cards at me (and remember he was throwing them in such a way that they would cut when they hit); would I have been out of line to take hsi cards form him and muck them before he could use them as a weapon?

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Things like this are really bad and should of course be dealt with very sternly by the floor.

When I dealt for a summer in Vegas many years ago, a player told me he was good friends with the casino OWNER and he was going to get me fired. He didn't like that his quad tens lost to a straigh flush, not one bit. He kept on and on and on at me for a while after that and appeared loud and a bit inebriated perhaps, and nasty/surly as hell. Floor did nothing, though I'm not sure they were aware, and I didn't have anything in particular to call the floor about that I could think of, specifically. What was he doing to me anyway, exactly? After some time he let it drop. A nicer guy than the one you were dealing to, for sure! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Management needs to be strong in both directions in order to run a good room. That is, make sure the dealers are well-trained and disciplined and also make sure the players do not get away with dealer abuse. When cardroom management is weak in either direction, everyone suffers. Basically, whenver there is an incident, floor/management need to do their best to get to the bottom of it and then to respond accordingly. And of course floor/management themselves need to be competent as well.

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When I dealt for a summer in Vegas many years ago, a player told me he was good friends with the casino OWNER and he was going to get me fired.

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Johnny Moss used to fire dealers for dealing him "bad beats"

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The dealer yanked them out of the player's hand; the player threw a fit, the dealer tells the floor they were laying there so he took them.

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This shouldn't be TOO hard to fix. If the floor won't deal with this, the floor has a boss. If that doesn't work, note the time, the table, all the involved names, and the exact events and get Gaming Control into it. The casino is required by law to run a fair game, and I can't imagine they won't be annoyed by a casino that lets dealers screw the players. If the video doesn't prove what happened, at least there will be a record of the event so hopefully that will prevent the dealer from repeating it.

The last such "dealer snatched the cards from him" story I heard involved an Excalibur dealer who was being stiffed repeatedly by a player. Same basic story as Randy's, but in a cash game. Dealer supposedly waited until there was a big pot going and then pulled the cards out of a player's hands with a "oh, I thought you were handing them to me" story. Floor did nothing. This could be an old wive's tale but the player claimed to have seen it and pointed out which dealer had done it.

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When I dealt for a summer in Vegas many years ago, a player told me he was good friends with the casino OWNER and he was going to get me fired.

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Johnny Moss used to fire dealers for dealing him "bad beats"

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Yes, I've heard that. This wasn't at the Horseshoe, though.

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When I dealt for a summer in Vegas many years ago, a player told me he was good friends with the casino OWNER and he was going to get me fired.

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Johnny Moss used to fire dealers for dealing him "bad beats"

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Yes, I've heard that. This wasn't at the Horseshoe, though.

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No, he had the Alladin and then another room (I can never remember if it was the Sands or the Dunes. A firend of mine that dealt for him always got his job back the next day, but a lot didn't come back.

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This shouldn't be TOO hard to fix. If the floor won't deal with this, the floor has a boss. If that doesn't work, note the time, the table, all the involved names, and the exact events and get Gaming Control into it. The casino is required by law to run a fair game, and I can't imagine they won't be annoyed by a casino that lets dealers screw the players. If the video doesn't prove what happened, at least there will be a record of the event so hopefully that will prevent the dealer from repeating it.

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There are more poker tables where there is no Gaming COntrol Board than where there is. The other thing to remember is people will support the dealer if the guy is a prick. I have seen dealers snatch cards, but I can't imagine they would do it to anyone that posts here on a regular basis. I have never seen a dealer snatch someone's cards just for stiffing them.

edit to add: With the growth in poker there are a lot more tables in Vegas than there used to be. It used to be true that there were more tables in LA county than the state of NV. I haven't checked the numbers but I believe I am still correct that there are more poker tables with no gaming oversight than with gaming over sight.

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When I dealt for a summer in Vegas many years ago, a player told me he was good friends with the casino OWNER and he was going to get me fired.

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Johnny Moss used to fire dealers for dealing him "bad beats"

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Yes, I've heard that. This wasn't at the Horseshoe, though.

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No, he had the Alladin and then another room (I can never remember if it was the Sands or the Dunes. A firend of mine that dealt for him always got his job back the next day, but a lot didn't come back.

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I heard he could "fire" dealers at the Horseshoe, too--at least in the older days, even though he only played there. Don't know for sure either way.

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When I dealt for a summer in Vegas many years ago, a player told me he was good friends with the casino OWNER and he was going to get me fired.

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Johnny Moss used to fire dealers for dealing him "bad beats"

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Yes, I've heard that. This wasn't at the Horseshoe, though.

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No, he had the Alladin and then another room (I can never remember if it was the Sands or the Dunes. A firend of mine that dealt for him always got his job back the next day, but a lot didn't come back.

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I heard he could "fire" dealers at the Horseshoe, too--at least in the older days, even though he only played there. Don't know for sure either way.

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I don't know. I do know they only had a poker room during special events until they bought the Mint and inherited that poker room. I am not old enough to remember Johnny Moss, I only know the old stories from people I used to work with. Since he lived at the Horseshoe and was tight with Benny it would not suprise me if he was able to fire dealers there.