nl200 weird 3bet pot spot

[ikestoys]

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Learn to value-check every once in a while.

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w/no reads...

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Our read should be that he is loose passive bc of pf action
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if it checks throuhg on the flop, do we bet the turn?


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Card dep, but yeah

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if he bets the flop when we check and follows through on the turn, do we fold?

pretty sure we bet the turn in scenario 1, and fold the turn in the 2nd one...yes?

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we prob fold flop tbh, but you can c/c, c/f

[startrak]

whats a value check? like if they had all limped PF in this hand and you CHECK?

Just in my experience, villain wont bet that many more hands than he will call with and i really dont think he has a king, so I'd rather bet than call. The way I see it is, villain is thinking, "goddamn he hit his ace king". So I'm not gonna win a big pot unless flop comes 224 anyway, this pot is basically over when flop comes, now its up to villain to give you credit for a hand or not.

[ManChild]

check folding the flop here sucks so badly

I'm going to suggest C/R all in
it lets him bluff at the pot if he wants to, and then it lets us do some protection of our hand and avoid seeing an Ace or a heart (or a Jack is possibly bad too), i think its better than bet fold because if we bet and he shoves i think we still have about the odds we need to call against his range

[sh58]

my first thought was bet/folding but now i think i understand why checking is best. it's just that i hate not cbetting OOP. it's a leak i have i spose.

[Isura]

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Amazed at the number of people with 1000 posts or more who:

a) don't know how to calculate a PSB
or
b) would like to bet less than pot with the 3rd nuts


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LOL at:

a) Using a term like "3rd nuts" preflop
b) Thinking a PSB is something magical

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I agree. I think even 28 is fine, so is 32 or 36. You don't need to worry about trivial things like protecting the '3rd nuts' if you're range is wide enough, and a smaller raise makes squeezes more profitable.

[Some9]

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I'm going to suggest C/R all in
it lets him bluff at the pot if he wants to, and then it lets us do some protection of our hand and avoid seeing an Ace or a heart (or a Jack is possibly bad too), i think its better than bet fold because if we bet and he shoves i think we still have about the odds we need to call against his range

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This is really bad advice...

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Q: how do you balance a c/f on this flop? obv if he really turn out to be loose passive thats unnecessary but the question still holds. check AK? c/r a heart draw?

[cs3]

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $36</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls $28.

Flop: ($83) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ? what is a good line here??

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grunching here.. have yet to read replies so if this has been said already whatever:
i check/call one street. if flop is checked through i bet like 1/2 (40ish) pot on turn. villain almost always has 88-JJ here and isnt getting out of line very often postflop. if he fires twice, fold. if he raises anywhere, fold. easy.

[ManChild]

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I'm going to suggest C/R all in
it lets him bluff at the pot if he wants to, and then it lets us do some protection of our hand and avoid seeing an Ace or a heart (or a Jack is possibly bad too), i think its better than bet fold because if we bet and he shoves i think we still have about the odds we need to call against his range

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This is really bad advice...

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Q: how do you balance a c/f on this flop? obv if he really turn out to be loose passive thats unnecessary but the question still holds. check AK? c/r a heart draw?

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please elaborate on why this advice is bad

also, im not sure what the rest of your post means

[Upgrade_U]

c/c flop and if he checks behind on the flop lead turn
if he bets flop, call and check to him on the turn - if he checks behind then bet riv

[tubasteve]

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I'm going to suggest C/R all in
it lets him bluff at the pot if he wants to, and then it lets us do some protection of our hand and avoid seeing an Ace or a heart (or a Jack is possibly bad too), i think its better than bet fold because if we bet and he shoves i think we still have about the odds we need to call against his range

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This is really bad advice...

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Q: how do you balance a c/f on this flop? obv if he really turn out to be loose passive thats unnecessary but the question still holds. check AK? c/r a heart draw?

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why is everyone so worried about balancing their play? do you really play with the same people enough to worry about it? if so, your table selection suuuuuuuuuucks.