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Old 07-22-2007, 05:08 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

Look, sometimes in a hand we make a bet with the intention of responding in a certain way. Occasionally other factors may make us want to change our plan since a better line has presented itself. This does not make our initial bet wrong.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:08 PM
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If you want to play it passive, then that's up to you. But why would you lead if you are NOT going to assume you have good POT equity?!?!

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Dude, handreading.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

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Look, sometimes in a hand we make a bet with the intention of responding in a certain way. Occasionally other factors may make us want to change our plan since a better line has presented itself. This does not make our initial bet wrong.

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Well, what was the plan, and how did the events change accordingly?
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

yeah, the fe is what makes these draws profitable, and i don't think we have much of it here. that being said pushing isn't a big deal.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

i think a main factor is that a larger flush draw is def amoungst the ranges here.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

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Look, sometimes in a hand we make a bet with the intention of responding in a certain way. Occasionally other factors may make us want to change our plan since a better line has presented itself. This does not make our initial bet wrong.

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Well, what was the plan, and how did the events change accordingly?

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3bet most of the time when there is a single raise, a call then a raise etc. Get money in the pot with very good equity when just called on the flop. Sometimes fold out better hands.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

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i think a main factor is that a larger flush draw is def amoungst the ranges here.

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KQ/QJ/JT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are certainly possible...which again makes the argument for 3-betting > calling.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

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If you want to play it passive, then that's up to you. But why would you lead if you are NOT going to assume you have good POT equity?!?!

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Dude, handreading.

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If you put the tight guy on a set, then all our pairs and pair and trip-draws become worthless. If you put the tight guy on a flushdraw, then we are very often dominated.

However, if you put one of them on a higher flushdraw, then we are in good shape if we gogogo. It's hard to call off your stack with a flushdraw when you're likely up to a set/two pair AND we already have a pair, if they do decide to call (= we are ahead).

Also, I provided a handrange, against which we are 49%. So I don't see how your handrange analysis changes the plan?
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:16 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

Forget my previous post - I didn't see BTN cold call the flop bets...

His range definitely includes broadway hearts...

I think I call here and re-evaluate on turn....
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: 200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

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i think a main factor is that a larger flush draw is def amoungst the ranges here.

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KQ/QJ/JT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are certainly possible...which again makes the argument for 3-betting > calling.

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yeah, if we had Kh9h it would be a call for sure, different situation here. I'm edging towards a 3b.
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