bellagio 10-20 deep: trips facing river crai

[bigballz]

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alot of ppl are saying this is JJ or nothing, which if that is the case, its a pretty routine payoff. (what i said initially) the thing is if villain himself can c/r for value with a wider range, it has to be a fold.. mike doesnt have good trips..

why is this not J8, A8, etc etc..

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I agree, higher 8s should be making the same play w/ how weakly hero has been betting thus widening his range and making it a fold IMO

[bigt439]

i initially thought this was a pretty easy fold. king neo's first post succinctly sums up why, however, i cant get over his insta shove on the river. that looks so much more bluffy than if he at least pretended to think about his move. i think its really close. meh... id probably still fold tho.

[luegofuego]

u guys are crazy.

[aggie]

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alot of ppl are saying this is JJ or nothing, which if that is the case, its a pretty routine payoff. (what i said initially) the thing is if villain himself can c/r for value with a wider range, it has to be a fold.. mike doesnt have good trips..

why is this not J8, A8, etc etc..

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This does seem like a crazy way to play A8 though given the drawy nature of the board

[creedofhubris]

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Sorry m8, the guy (who is a friend) bluffed u, he was empty but knew u would fold the 8 he knew u had. U were out played.

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I like how, before this was posted, everyone said "fold", and after this was posted, everyone says "call."

[BobboFitos]

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Sorry m8, the guy (who is a friend) bluffed u, he was empty but knew u would fold the 8 he knew u had. U were out played.

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I like how, before this was posted, everyone said "fold", and after this was posted, everyone says "call."

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i think my response was somewhat diplomatic... i cant be wrong that way =) (lol, "if this, fold, if that, call")

[mikech]

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Sorry m8, the guy (who is a friend) bluffed u, he was empty but knew u would fold the 8 he knew u had. U were out played.

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funny thing is, a week ago i'd have snap-called, but i kinda felt that i'd been paying off too much lately and told myself i should start folding more when i felt like i was beat. second thing is, the guy in the 1 seat who'd just sat down one orbit ago f*ckin called clock on me after maybe a minute. it's potentially a 15k pot and he called for a f*ckin clock after i tanked for literally less than 60 seconds. unbelievable. my first reaction to the crai was of course JJ and to fold, but as i was thinking the hand thru i realized my bet-sizing and remaining chip stack really invited the shove. given more time to consider my decision i probly call.

anyway, i'm not trying to take anything away from your friend's play, it was a nice play and took a lot of heart. i don't think it's +ev though; he got me to lay down in this particular instance but i call more often than not.

[durrrr]

i feel like i'd call or fold fairly quickly vs most people here... don't know how to really phrase that better. I guess im trying to say that i think people's frequencies are wayyyyy off in this kindv spot especially live.

[DeMaci]

How does everyone say villian thinks he has three eights? Hero's line looks like a value bet on the river with a hand as weak as 10-10. If the villian is a thinking player, he knows how the hero views him, and knows he would likely value bet a lot of hands that couldnt call a CRAI.

I call here.

After reading entire thread, hero folded? Can I get feedback from hero or someone else who said call about my thinking?

[lapoker17]

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Hero's line looks like a value bet on the river with a hand as weak as 10-10.

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no. mike is not playing turn/river like this very often, if ever, w TT.