200-400 Hand.

[mike l.]

what he's saying is some of you are fos. schneids and others say easy call and then suddenly everyone's saying "easy call".

[The Funky Llama]

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what he's saying is some of you are fos. schneids and others say easy call and then suddenly everyone's saying "easy call".


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for the record i was the first one to say call

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[ILOVEPOKER929]

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what he's saying is some of you are fos. schneids and others say easy call and then suddenly everyone's saying "easy call".

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This flop call will never be inherently easy for me. Mike would you call the flop in this spot if you could hit a King or Jack on the turn or river, and play this hand perfectly becuz you somehow knew your oppoents very well?

[baronzeus]

FWIW, this is a spot wher ei never used to call.

[Caldarooni]

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FWIW, this is a spot wher ei never used to call.

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I thought the same thing. I routinely make this call now.

However, I am willing to concede that live I would almost certainly fold.

[sweetjazz]

I believe this is a close call. For those who say this is an "easy" call, do you still believe calling is correct if the board is T42 with one diamond?

[mike l.]

i used to autocall here. my natural tendency is to play loose and aggressive so this call comes naturally for me. now i play significantly more thoughtfully and cautiously when up against preflop raisers and reraisers. live those raises just tend to be so much more meaningful. it's easy to overestimate implied odds and underestimate reverse implied odds in the heat of battle. in aggressive games against experienced or tough players it's better to think the other way around. people suggesting the button might frequently check behind on the turn here are being way too optimistic. 200-400 players have a tendency to bet when checked to.

[SA125]

Closing the action is key. I'd worry about the reverse implied odds if a K, T or diamond hit the turn. If I miss it's moot.

But I'd feel good if this was one of those times the highly unlikely yet remotely possible perfect Td came off.

[The Funky Llama]

i guess i dont really see why our reverse implied odds are so bad here. if a K or J comes on the turn and its two back to use we fold. If we call a J turn we can sometimes fold the river depending on the action and our reads. If we hit a K or J and are not good we often have outs to improve to the best hand.

I mean its not like we're gonna hit a pair and put like 4 bets in. And its not particularly likely that it is two back to us if we turn a flush or straight draw.

Although AK probably wont check the turn, it will often be checking the river which is good if we hit a J...or like if he has TT/JJ and we turn a K he's gonna check the river usually so the reverse implied odds aren't as bad as they seem imo.

Also aggressive players cap AQs here a lot and sometimes AQo or 99.

[surfdoc]

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- button is a typical high stakes player, so he might be willing to cap preflop but then give us a free card on the turn (AK comes to mind here as a hand he might play very aggressively but then check after being called twice on the flop).

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I think you and some others may not be considering that this game was played in Vegas (I assume) where there is a 5 bet cap preflop. That may be enough to change the answer to this problem with respect to the buttons hand range. This is not some kid on the internet playing 99 and thinking a cap will be good to gain control of the hand. This button 3 bet DS and was fully aware that he could get 5 bet. That skews his han range and drives up our reverse implied odds a bit.