Where Did God Go For These People?

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I didnt see this posted yet. I apologize if it has.

Study shows prayer doesnt help heart surgery patients. If the study is accurate, doesnt that put a major dent in many people's concept of religon and prayer? Does the study, if accurate, provide evidence of a lack of God?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...y_x.htm?csp=34

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finally!!!!! evidence there is no god!!!!! how was this not the top news story across the world?!?!?!?!?

[yukoncpa]

"finally!!!!! evidence there is no god!!!!! how was this not the top news story across the world?!?!?!?!?"


It's been on Fox news all day.

[MidGe]

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Thats just flat out untrue there might be one or two denominations that would believe something like this, to say Christains as a whole are like this would be like saying all whites are supporters of the KKK.

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Or like saying that all christians believe in the resurection or the divinity of christ, or the virgin birth, or the literalkness of the bible... Wait, the whole concept of christians doesn't seem to stand up as a group...

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[surftheiop]

You seem bitter about something, did you have parents who bashed you with bibles or something ?

[MidGe]

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You seem bitter about something, did you have parents who bashed you with bibles or something ?

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I may be bitter, but I don't confuse love with inflicting suffering and I know the difference between the two.

[chezlaw]

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I didnt see this posted yet. I apologize if it has.

Study shows prayer doesnt help heart surgery patients. If the study is accurate, doesnt that put a major dent in many people's concept of religon and prayer? Does the study, if accurate, provide evidence of a lack of God?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...y_x.htm?csp=34

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It certainly provides evidence against the efficacy of intercessionary prayer (and hence evidence against God as usually portrayed).

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It provides evidence against some sort of god but isn't the traditional idea (or at least one traditional idea) that you pray for strength and guidance rather than direct intervention.

and this sort of prayer probably works but it working isn't evidence of god as periods of quiet reflection and a few deep breaths may well be beneficial.

chez

[Utah]

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I have heard this said many times in my wasted 15 years of catholic schooling. However, isnt this just a silly argument to deflect those who point out prayer doesnt work?

person - "my prayers never work"
believer - "they are not supposed to"
person- "ah"

[chezlaw]

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...that you pray for strength and guidance rather than direct intervention[ QUOTE ]
I have heard this said many times in my wasted 15 years of catholic schooling. However, isnt this just a silly argument to deflect those who point out prayer doesnt work?

person - "my prayers never work"
believer - "they are not supposed to"
person- "ah"

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I'm not defending it, just pointing out that experiments on intervention aren't relevent to at least one mainstream view of prayer.

chez

[Utah]

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I'm not defending it, just pointing out that experiments on intervention aren't relevent to at least one mainstream view of prayer.

[/ QUOTE ]Please note - I was not assuming you were defending it. My comments were just directed at the idea.

[Emmitt2222]

Jesus prayed that the cup pass him by. He still died a horrific death. There is a theology of suffering, it can be redemptive. Suffering can be the quickest way to heaven. People today think that God abandons those who suffer when its the exact opposite.