wide 3 betting ranges oop

[kotkis]

I think 22 generally does pretty well as a 4-bet bluff but plays really crap post-flop in 3-bet pots. The argument that 22 does well just based on pf pot-equity alone might make sense if we were able to play game theoretically optimal post-flop, but as it is it's probably best to accept we're human and thus fallible to a lot of costly mistakes that we shouldn't make in order to make the play profitable.

[tommo]

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I think 22 generally does pretty well as a 4-bet bluff but plays really crap post-flop in 3-bet pots. The argument that 22 does well just based on pf pot-equity alone might make sense if we were able to play game theoretically optimal post-flop, but as it is it's probably best to accept we're human and thus fallible to a lot of costly mistakes that we shouldn't make in order to make the play profitable.

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I like this post a lot. thanks. Never really thought about how good a 4 bet bluffing hand it is.

kind of like a value bluff... gets hands you want to fold to fold gets looked up by hands taht you don't mind getting looked up by.

[MatthewRyan]

tom, some people will only play pairs for set value in RR pots

[BearHustler]

This is 22 vs a 38% opening range. I'd say that's pretty wide.

Hand 0: 45.830% 45.09% 00.74% 2283969948 37315722.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 54.170% 53.43% 00.74% 2706393840 37315722.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }

Yep, you're doing great there.

[tommo]

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This is 22 vs a 38% opening range. I'd say that's pretty wide.

Hand 0: 45.830% 45.09% 00.74% 2283969948 37315722.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 54.170% 53.43% 00.74% 2706393840 37315722.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }

Yep, you're doing great there.

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choose your favorite non ace high flop. I think you may have missed the point.

[BearHustler]

Just for the hell of it, this is 22 vs a 100% opening range:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.334% 49.39% 00.95% 6215338932 119416020.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 49.666% 48.72% 00.95% 6131263428 119416020.00 { random }

[BearHustler]

Here's some random flop equities:

Board: Js 9c 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.316% 41.07% 00.24% 1070991 6384.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 58.684% 58.44% 00.24% 1523901 6384.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Board: Ts 8h 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.136% 40.93% 00.21% 1064754 5487.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 58.864% 58.65% 00.21% 1525992 5487.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Board: 7d 6h 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.165% 42.18% 01.99% 1114848 52561.50 { 22 }
Hand 1: 55.835% 53.85% 01.99% 1423329 52561.50 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Board: Qs 9h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.693% 36.45% 00.25% 930915 6294.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 63.307% 63.06% 00.25% 1610697 6294.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Board: 2c 6d Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 93.668% 93.67% 00.00% 1235148 36.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 06.332% 06.33% 00.00% 83460 36.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Board: Kc Qd 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.624% 37.23% 00.40% 942027 10020.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 62.376% 61.98% 00.40% 1568373 10020.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Board: Ts 7d Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.924% 35.61% 00.31% 903273 7884.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 64.076% 63.77% 00.31% 1617339 7884.00 { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o }


Please explain how your pot equity went up on a random flop, like you said?

[tommo]

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Just for the hell of it, this is 22 vs a 100% opening range:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.334% 49.39% 00.95% 6215338932 119416020.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 49.666% 48.72% 00.95% 6131263428 119416020.00 { random }

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is there a reason you are posting this?

[BearHustler]

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Just for the hell of it

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is there a reason you are posting this?


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[tommo]

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Just for the hell of it

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is there a reason you are posting this?


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ah...could you not post worthless stuff please?