200NL 6max Combo Draw bet/3bet?

[mertzo]

So how often do you think both guys fold? And lol at playing a certain way just because the word passive sounds weak

[afcmokum]

is the shove in this spot not to obvious, thus gives your hand away to much ????? so what is left of your fold equity then?

a standard shove with a flushdraw on board is easily exploitable IMO. agree or do i missing the point.

because of the third player in the hand i would only call.

[loosbastard]

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is the shove in this spot not to obvious, thus gives your hand away to much ????? so what is left of your fold equity then?

a standard shove with a flushdraw on board is easily exploitable IMO. agree or do i missing the point.

because of the third player in the hand i would only call.

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We don't have to shove. Just make it like $140 or something.

[Jay Riall]

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So how often do you think both guys fold? And lol at playing a certain way just because the word passive sounds weak

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Agree. Being passive is pretty often the optimal line to take imo.

[loosbastard]

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Agree. Being passive is pretty often the optimal line to take imo.

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Agreed...but not here. I mean do you really think we're winning a big pot even if we hit?

[Jay Riall]

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Agree. Being passive is pretty often the optimal line to take imo.

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Agreed...but not here. I mean do you really think we're winning a big pot even if we hit?

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Who cares? We're getting like a million to one on a flop call.

[Nielsio]

Look,

The idea of leading into is exactly to get raised, so in that regard we got exactly what we wanted. The pot is between 90 and 100 dollars. Against a range of {A9o+, A9s+, 99, AA} we are 49%. Yes, sometimes we run into a set, but you guys are vastly overestimating the times we need them to fold, esp with all the money in there.


I mean, even if it's like this, we are making money:

Board: Ah 5h 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.884% 34.88% 00.00% 11340 0.00 { 9h8h }
Hand 1: 10.631% 10.41% 00.22% 3384 72.00 { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.485% 54.26% 00.22% 17640 72.00 { A9s, A9o }


And you need to realize that we are also fighting for the money that's already in the pot. Let's say they both fold 10%, then BAM, we're in a major +EV spot.

[Nielsio]

If you want to play it passive, then that's up to you. But why would you lead if you are NOT going to assume you have good POT equity?!?!

[loosbastard]

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Who cares? We're getting like a million to one on a flop call.

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I care. I don't like taking the worst of it when there isn't much in the way of implied odds.

[loosbastard]

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If you want to play it passive, then that's up to you. But why would you lead if you are NOT going to assume you have good POT equity?!?!

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Thank you...I felt like I was [censored] taking crazy pills.