|
|
#21
05-12-2007, 01:36 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
I wish I could find the clip of bears mediocre cornerback charles tillman stealing a TD from randy moss in a game with huge playoff implications. [/ QUOTE ] ya that was disgusting. 
|
|
#22
05-12-2007, 01:48 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I wish I could find the clip of bears mediocre cornerback charles tillman stealing a TD from randy moss in a game with huge playoff implications. [/ QUOTE ] ya that was disgusting. [/ QUOTE ] The two plays I think of when I think of Moss are the Tillman play and the one in your avatar. One is absolutely pathetic the other is one of the greatest things I have ever seen on a football field. Kinda sums of my feelings on Moss.
|
|
#23
05-12-2007, 01:56 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
Is arguably the greatest deep treat in the history of the NFL. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm, no! That would be "Bullet" Bob Hayes, #22 for the Dallas Cowboys, who defined the 'deep threat' and changed the game of football forever. Hayes was so dominant that the 'Zone Defense' (a current NFL staple) was created just to try to contain him. In other words he was the first wide receiver in the history of the NFL who couldn't be covered man-to-man, even when doubled. 'Bump and Run' coverage techniques were also invented during his career as a way of attempting to deal with his speed. The Cowboys running game was the primary beneficiary of Hayes speed since the super deep drops the safeties needed to try to contain him greatly affected their ability to stop the run. He was arguably more effective as decoy than he was as a receiver (and he lead the league in receiving TD's over his career)THAT is the very definition of dominance. Both Hayes and Moss did their most impressive work in the first 4 years of their careers, but Hayes had an incredible 21% of his receptions go for touchdowns, as compared to Moss' 17%. Moss is easily #2 on this list, and is the greatest deep threat in the era of modern coverage techniques but no one had to invent any new defenses to cover him. Hayes is still the only man to win both an Olympic gold medal (100m) and a Super Bowl ring(1971). He started an NFL tradition of track sprinters converting to NFL wide receivers (as Gatlin is currently attempting) He has been denied entry to Canton only because of his very well documented problems with the law and substance abuse. (He did time for dealing drugs and spent several stints in rehab for abuse).
|
|
#24
05-12-2007, 02:28 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Is arguably the greatest deep treat in the history of the NFL. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm, no! That would be "Bullet" Bob Hayes, #22 for the Dallas Cowboys, who defined the 'deep threat' and changed the game of football forever. Hayes was so dominant that the 'Zone Defense' (a current NFL staple) was created just to try to contain him. In other words he was the first wide receiver in the history of the NFL who couldn't be covered man-to-man, even when doubled. 'Bump and Run' coverage techniques were also invented during his career as a way of attempting to deal with his speed. The Cowboys running game was the primary beneficiary of Hayes speed since the super deep drops the safeties needed to try to contain him greatly affected their ability to stop the run. He was arguably more effective as decoy than he was as a receiver (and he lead the league in receiving TD's over his career)THAT is the very definition of dominance. Moss is easily #2 on this list, and is the greatest deep threat in the era of modern coverage techniques but no one had to invent any new defenses to cover him. Hayes is still the only man to win both an Olympic gold medal (100m) and a Super Bowl ring(1971). He started an NFL tradition of track sprinters converting to NFL wide receivers (as Gatlin is currently attempting) He has been denied entry to Canton only because of his very well documented problems with drug abuse. [/ QUOTE ] Sure sure, that's all well and good, but did he ever run over traffic officers, throw water at refs, or do anything else that gives wannabe thugs a boner? Obviously not, thus, not worth mentioning. Cody
|
|
#25
05-12-2007, 02:35 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
I think Moss and TO at their peaks were both more dominating than Marvin or Holt. [/ QUOTE ] Marvin: Year Team G GS Rec Yards AVG LG TD 1996 IND 16 15 64 836 13.1 41 8 1997 IND 16 15 73 866 11.9 56 6 1998 IND 12 12 59 776 13.2 61 7 1999 IND 16 16 115 1,663 14.5 57 12 2000 IND 16 16 102 1,413 13.9 78 14 2001 IND 16 16 109 1,524 14.0 68 15 2002 IND 16 16 143 1,722 12.0 69 11 2003 IND 15 15 94 1,272 13.5 79 10 2004 IND 16 16 86 1,113 12.9 59 15 2005 IND 15 15 82 1,146 14.0 80 12 2006 IND 16 16 95 1,366 14.4 68 12 Tot. N/A 170 168 1,022 13,697 13.4 80 121 In recent years while playing with another number 1 WR to his left. His peak, such as it is, seems to be from 1999-present. I'd say that's pretty dominent. Cody
|
|
#26
05-12-2007, 02:40 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
Sure sure, that's all well and good, but did he ever run over traffic officers, throw water at refs, or do anything else that gives wannabe thugs a boner? Obviously not, thus, not worth mentioning. Cody [/ QUOTE ] His 10 months in prison for drug dealing, would make him an actual convicted felon, as opposed to a wannabe thug like Moss.
|
|
#27
05-12-2007, 02:50 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
Moss Career:
3rd in Receiving TDs 6th in Yardage 11th in Receptions ... among active players Led the league in TD receptions 3 times (C. Carter did too). 4th 2 times. 6th once. Below 10th 3 times. 49 of his 101 TD's came in 3 seasons. 52 came in the other 6 seasons. Receivers in HOF who played after '68 (11 so far): Lance Alworth 1962-1972 Fred Biletnikoff 1965-1978 Michael Irvin 1988-1999 Charlie Joiner 1969-1986 Steve Largent 1976-1989 James Lofton 1978-1993 Don Maynard 1958, 1960-1973 John Stallworth 1974-1987 Lynn Swann 1974-1982 Charley Taylor 1964-1975, 1977 Paul Warfield 1964-1977
|
|
#28
05-12-2007, 02:57 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Is arguably the greatest deep treat in the history of the NFL. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm, no! That would be "Bullet" Bob Hayes, #22 for the Dallas Cowboys, who defined the 'deep threat' and changed the game of football forever. Hayes was so dominant that the 'Zone Defense' (a current NFL staple) was created just to try to contain him. In other words he was the first wide receiver in the history of the NFL who couldn't be covered man-to-man, even when doubled. 'Bump and Run' coverage techniques were also invented during his career as a way of attempting to deal with his speed. The Cowboys running game was the primary beneficiary of Hayes speed since the super deep drops the safeties needed to try to contain him greatly affected their ability to stop the run. He was arguably more effective as decoy than he was as a receiver (and he lead the league in receiving TD's over his career)THAT is the very definition of dominance. Moss is easily #2 on this list, and is the greatest deep threat in the era of modern coverage techniques but no one had to invent any new defenses to cover him. Hayes is still the only man to win both an Olympic gold medal (100m) and a Super Bowl ring(1971). He started an NFL tradition of track sprinters converting to NFL wide receivers (as Gatlin is currently attempting) He has been denied entry to Canton only because of his very well documented problems with drug abuse. [/ QUOTE ] Sure sure, that's all well and good, but did he ever run over traffic officers, throw water at refs, or do anything else that gives wannabe thugs a boner? Obviously not, thus, not worth mentioning. Cody [/ QUOTE ] your an idiot, being a "thug" has what to do w/ being better than Harrison?
|
|
#29
05-12-2007, 02:59 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
[ QUOTE ]
In recent years while playing with another number 1 WR to his left. His peak, such as it is, seems to be from 1999-present. I'd say that's pretty dominent. Cody [/ QUOTE ] Your right, playing w/ another good WR in Wayne, and having the best QB to get him the ball, is definately what makes him good.
|
|
#30
05-12-2007, 03:19 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Is Randy Moss a Hall of Famer right now?
Cody,
What I meant is that Moss' peak was higher than Marvin's. Statistically, their peaks were very close, but I think Moss presents more of a threat for opposing defenses than Marvin, just based on their skillsets. Ditto TO, although TO's numbers are not as good as Marvin's. But TO and Moss didn't get to play with the greatest QB of all time. Obviously Marvin is the better long-term player. I don't think Moss is a HOF but Marvin is a lock, fwiw. Something like this (very rough) 
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
