(16) I hate this spot

[Kibby]

I'm not saying shoving PF is optimal, just that I don't mind it and would do it everyone once and awhile. Ya, I bet its a pretty thin push but I don't think it would be -EV.

[malnek]

im check folding this all day. if u cbet here u've commited your stack in a pretty marginal situation.

[TruFloridaGator]

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250>>>>>>>>>>>300 here.
By making it 250 you can c-bet flops without being committed.
As played bet 500 and call a shove.

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haha i had the biggest feeling before i posted this pudge was gonna freak out on me for making it 300. The problem is that its too time comsuming to manually type in 250.

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You really should be raising to less than 300 in a lot of spots though, not just this. You shouldn't be raising to incremental of the blind amounts in higher levels either.

[Kevin8423]

I think I also shove this pf. You have a hand strong enough to shove over the blinds and you are too short to be c-betting.

If you just raise, whenever you get called and miss you basically give up your chips unless you invest a lot more when you have nothing. I think this happens too often to make raising the right choice.

[Chipchucker5]

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250>>>>>>>>>>>300 here.
By making it 250 you can c-bet flops without being committed.
As played bet 500 and call a shove.

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haha i had the biggest feeling before i posted this pudge was gonna freak out on me for making it 300. The problem is that its too time comsuming to manually type in 250.

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Space,
Handsome's auto hotkey script makes it so you can just right click and it raises it to 2.5 x bb

[slimon]

So is it better to go all in here or raise to 250? For me I would raise to 250. Are you playing KQo, A8s, or 5's here?

[AMT]

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So is it better to go all in here or raise to 250? For me I would raise to 250. Are you playing KQo, A8s, or 5's here?

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it depends on the table as to which I'd do but against bad players there is a lot of value in opening to 250...and also how many games I'm playing potentially effects it.

[CheeseMoney]

I still say that this is a neutral EV push unless someone shows me otherwise. This may be with optimal calling ranges, but is this where you want to pick your battles pushing all in?

[skreemer7]

The 300 raise seems leaky to me. If you are indeed involved with too many tables to bet less than 300, how about a limp and a min 100 bet/fold if villain bets? I think that with this many people in still, and blinds only at 50/100 you still have time to possibly see a nice hand oop, or have blinds go through you and get a good look at a 75/150 push. Thoughts? Also....I think raising 2/3 to 3/4 of your stack and taking any flop all in would give you a relatively safe bit of equity.

[fluorescenthippo]

if im 25 tabling PF fold > raise to any amount
guys are so loose at the low levels that you dont wanna mess around with these semi value hands. you will make plenty with your good hands here to make up for it. these kinds of spots are +cEV but probably not +$EV.

im raising AJo though