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Old 03-01-2007, 06:14 PM
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what about those that don't care to watch television? any suggestions?

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As a folder, I've shoveled my damn driveway twice today [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:14 PM
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If you don't like that spot you should play lower or take up a different hobby, like watching TV.

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goofball,

what about those that don't care to watch television? any suggestions?

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Old 03-01-2007, 06:16 PM
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raising >>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>&gt ; folding
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:18 PM
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We certainly don't HAVE to go to the river, especially against a loose passive.

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...which is why we fold, rather than invest three bets before the flop with 8-high when we have exactly 0% fold equity.

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0% fold equity? O Rly???

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]=LP
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]=Hero
[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]=LAG
[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]=Tight BB
[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]=Dealer

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: HAHA STRADDLE!!!!
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: 78= NUTS Three BETS!!
[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]: 6J... I'm not that crazy. Fold
[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]: AT... hmmm raiser and reraiser. Fold.

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: *Looks at cards* T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Gotta call.

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]: Let me dealizzle the flizzle off the hizzle:

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: I have nothing. Check.
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: I look into your soul and sense weakness. Bet.
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: Sigh. I never flop anything. Fold.


[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]: *Push* Off the chizzle!!

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: *Tip *Muck
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:21 PM
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what about those that don't care to watch television? any suggestions?

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As a folder, I've shoveled my damn driveway twice today [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

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what about those that don't live in the USA version of Antarctica known as MN? i guess i could pull the wild onions from my front yard, but i would be too busy calling and pawning the fish postflop.
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:28 PM
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I'm thinking about this a little bit. I don't play live that often, so I don't have to face straddles, but I am thinking about playing live more, so I probably have to make this a consideration.

Maybe I need more GAMBOL! in me, but I've always played hands with showdown value in these situations, regardless of my position.
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:29 PM
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live in the USA version of Antarctica known as MN

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The difference is, the icecap in Antartica is dissappearing.
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:37 PM
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We certainly don't HAVE to go to the river, especially against a loose passive.

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...which is why we fold, rather than invest three bets before the flop with 8-high when we have exactly 0% fold equity.

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0% fold equity? O Rly???

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]=LP
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]=Hero
[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]=LAG
[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]=Tight BB
[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]=Dealer

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: HAHA STRADDLE!!!!
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: 78= NUTS Three BETS!!
[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]: 6J... I'm not that crazy. Fold
[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]: AT... hmmm raiser and reraiser. Fold.

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: *Looks at cards* T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Gotta call.

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]: Let me dealizzle the flizzle off the hizzle:

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: I have nothing. Check.
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: I look into your soul and sense weakness. Bet.
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: Sigh. I never flop anything. Fold.


[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]: *Push* Off the chizzle!!

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: *Tip *Muck

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WOW.. that is an uber-tight BB. He must be one of the 85 year old nits I play with sometimes that won't raise AKs or checks behind HU w/ QQ because a K flopped! I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] those guys!
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Old 03-01-2007, 06:52 PM
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We certainly don't HAVE to go to the river, especially against a loose passive.

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...which is why we fold, rather than invest three bets before the flop with 8-high when we have exactly 0% fold equity.

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0% fold equity? O Rly???

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]=LP
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]=Hero
[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]=LAG
[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]=Tight BB
[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]=Dealer

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: HAHA STRADDLE!!!!
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: 78= NUTS Three BETS!!
[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]: 6J... I'm not that crazy. Fold
[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]: AT... hmmm raiser and reraiser. Fold.

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: *Looks at cards* T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Gotta call.

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]: Let me dealizzle the flizzle off the hizzle:

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: I have nothing. Check.
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: I look into your soul and sense weakness. Bet.
[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]: Sigh. I never flop anything. Fold.


[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]: *Push* Off the chizzle!!

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]: *Tip *Muck

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WOW.. that is an uber-tight BB. He must be one of the 85 year old nits I play with sometimes that won't raise AKs or checks behind HU w/ QQ because a K flopped! I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] those guys!

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ZOMG I got him to fold with my staredown. I learned it on TV.
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Old 03-01-2007, 07:00 PM
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okay guys i'll take the weak-tight bait. we don't have a good hand. we have eight high and the other card isn't an eight or even as high as an eight. now, i understand that if we have a good image, poker face, karma, and all that, that we will either flop a flush (which as we all know happens every third hand) or will be able to just bet a lot postflop and make everyone fold as we release our inner lags. but for those of us who, you know, like poker but see this as a [censored] hand to make this play with (unless you advocate making this play with any two, in which case the discussion seems sort of meaningless), what would you advise? thanks.
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