$1,000 Live MTT AQo, Street by Street

[Bullet_Dodger]

[ QUOTE ]
I guess we will soon see what happened?

[/ QUOTE ]

We shall.

Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, Hero bets 152, Button Folds, SB calls 152.

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets 300, Hero?

--------------------------------

I bet the flop for a few reasons. One, there was enough in the pot to warrant c-betting, ~270. Also, SB is rarley a factor here, as he's folding 95% of the time. I'm still not sure if it was the right play, because there are plenty of pro's for checking here as well.

Anyways, SB flat calls, and the turn hits us big. But now the SB comes out of nowhere and leads out 300. There are numerous routes we can go. I have a feeling the consensus will be to shove, but given the SB’s tight tendencies there might be reasons to call or to fold

edit: it was the Ac not the Qc

[BlueEcho]

If I use the read you gave us on SB it seems very likely he has AK and held on after flop c-bet. However, I don't think a true tight/conservative actually calls after the flop so I'm a bit stumped.

A mid PP doesn't lead into an A on the turn so I'm ruling that one out from a SB that "rarely gets out of line".

Does SB slow-play 33 or 55 and then lead into an A on the turn? That seems kind of complex for one year of play and basing his actions from books.

I really felt like I had a good grasp of this hand until SB got involved heavily on the turn. Bullet this is a good one.

[HerbieGRD]

I can tell you a year and a half ago I was this player (tight, conservative, learned entirely from books) and I would have AK here pretty much every time and something huge like 55 or 33 whenever I didn't. As much as I hate it I think we should fold based solely on your preflop read.

[Cornell Fiji]

I really don't like the c-bet on this flop at all.

Check flop, smooth call turn, if he fires again on the river then just call him. You have reads, use them.

[Cornell Fiji]

[ QUOTE ]
Bet between 120-150 on the flop and do the following;

UNIMPROVE TURN;

If button and SB call, I check-fold turn. I haven't lost much, I can move onto the next hand.

If button calls, SB folds, I follow up with a 1/2-2/3 pot size bet, then reasses for the river.

If SB calls and checks to me, I check behind.

I fold to any re-raises.

IMPROVE TURN:

No matter who calls, I bet 2/3 of the pot. If SB raises, I flat call. If B raises I reraise 2.5-3xhis raise. If reraised, well I really need a strong read to decide.

RIVER -

Pretty hard to say without being there, but something like this;

Roughly speaking, I check fold/check call unimproved 70/30.
Roughly speaking, if I improve, I check behind the SB alone, check to button if alone, and check if all of us are there, expecting a raise from the button. I flat call if SB calls, I fold if SB reraises, I reraise if SB folds.
If I improve on the river, maybe check raise, or play it quick with a 3/4 pot size reraise.

So many permutations. Phew!

[/ QUOTE ]


AK and pocket pairs are never folding on this pot so taking a stab only gets rid of hands that we beat (many of which are drawing to a worse ace or queen), why do we want to get rid of them?

Furthermore, if you are willing to fold to turn/river aggression then you are going to give up the pot to hands that you beat way too often.

You are bloating the pot with a hand that you want to keep small.

[juris]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
They are playing with $1 chips in a live tournament?

[/ QUOTE ]
Maybe they are for tipping the cocktail waitress.

[/ QUOTE ]

for what it's worth this is exactly my first thought almost verbatim.

[Eagles]

I pot the flop here because I'd pretty well always cbet anything I raised pf here. When he leads the turn I'd call, the only hands that are beating you are 33/55.

[mikeJ]

Bet flop for reasons mentioned.

Turn, fold. Care to assign a range for tight/conservative player? It's really not that close given your read. What exactly are you beating that villain plays like this?

[JSchnett]

fold the turn. he doenst have AJ here and doesnt play AQ this way on the flop or turn I dont think

[registrar]

[ QUOTE ]
fold the turn. he doenst have AJ here and doesnt play AQ this way on the flop or turn I dont think

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with this. However, I probably don't have the discpline to fold turned top pair second kicker and I presume that we did see the river so let's call (because pushing has no merit whatsoever).

It's just about feasible that he has pair and draw, or that he's repping an ace he either does or doesn't have.

I don't this turn and action makes c-betting the flop incorrect.