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#21
10-28-2006, 02:46 AM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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Those aren't props, those are dealers or floor playing in their time off. I've seen props at Bay 101, they have no (steenkeeng) badges. Usually you can tell the props because they try to play as little as possible. They sit out for the button to come around before they post. Then they'll look at 3 or 4 pocket hands, muck them all, then take a walk for 20 minutes. They're trying to grind out their salary without losing at the table. I'd rather not have them at the table because they are taking up space that someone that actually plays might use. [/ QUOTE ] While I haven't been to Bay 101 in several months, the last several times I've played at tables there with props, they were wearing ID badges which identified them as prop players. If they've changed this in the last six months or so, I'll take your word for it, but I have no real incentive to make this story up and I used to go often enough to easily differentiate the dealers from the props (as if playing style alone weren't enough). Garden City is the same (though I haven't been there in a while either). The places up the peninsula don't hire props except for the outside bankers for the Asian/California games. They too wear ID. For the record, I agree with your assessment of local prop play. While I don't begrudge them their playing style, the attitudes and social skills of many of them are not exactly tip top. 
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#22
10-28-2006, 06:18 AM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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You will start running into them more starting at 10-20. Especially in daytime games. Some will play lower limits while waiting for a seat in the bigger game. Many players who don't play for a living play better than those that do. [/ QUOTE ] I sat at a 3-6 table with a dealer who basically ran over me and the rest of the table while waiting for a higher limit table. It was a very humbling experience and has, to this day, continued to motivate to work hard on my game.
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#23
10-28-2006, 07:39 AM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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I sat at a 3-6 table with a dealer who basically ran over me and the rest of the table while waiting for a higher limit table. It was a very humbling experience and has, to this day, continued to motivate to work hard on my game. [/ QUOTE ] *waits for the inevidable flurry of "omg dealurs r teh worst playahs evar" posts*
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#26
10-28-2006, 11:12 AM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
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[ QUOTE ] someone probably sucks if they buy in for $40 at a 4/8 limit game. [/ QUOTE ] often see the guys you see on TV @ the 4/8 level. [/ QUOTE ] That makes no sense. I think what you're trying to say is "I often see the guys that I see on tv at the 4/8 level." Sarcastically. OP has already said he doesn't mean just Helmuth or whatever, he means anyone who plays for a living. That is what defines a pro, and could potentially be found at 4/8.
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#29
10-28-2006, 07:44 PM
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Re: Spotting the Pros
If you are a winning player, try to identify if the player is playing a winning style. If you can clearly define two or more mistakes in one session, you are not sitting with a pro.
If you are a losing player, then it shouldn't matter who you are sitting with, you are getting the action, and that is what you came to the casino for. TAG style is not neccesarily a winning style. I have seen many TAGs who make far too many mistakes that couldn't beat a table full of fish. Proposition players are not neccisarily winning players either, in fact most that I have played with are not winning players. If a losing prop loses at say $5.00 an hour and he is getting paid $20 an hour, he is getting paid a resonable salary. A pro is perfectly capable of scoring a big win or a big loss. A pro is MORE likely to score a big win or loss than a bad player. Stack-size has nothing to do with it. Many losers play every day, but they either have a good job or a trust fund, so they can play every day. Time at the table is not an indicator either. All that is indicative of a pro is that they are a good player, and usually have a good demeaner. I have never seen a pro insult a fish. Many would never even say something like "nice hand."
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