Seeing monsters

[bennyhana]

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Use your Raising Rock.

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What he said.

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I might look for a raising boulder, but raising rock sounds so much better. I think that response is one of my favorite all time replies.

[Gregatron]

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yeah, super standard limp, super standard flop raise.

anything less is uncivilized. this hand is really easy to play.

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Wow, a first. I actually 100% agree with everything you just said Miles!

You did not, however, use proper capitalization.

[milesdyson]

all the cool people dont capitalize and we also randomly use punctuation. such as when i typed don't in my last sentence i didn't put the little tick thing. and its (note i said "its") okay to start and end sentences with and.

[VickreyAuction]

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wow if mebenhoe's chart actually recommends raising A2s in the co after two limpers i'd be amazed. i've never seen it though so obviously i wouldnt know.

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It does.

[drzen]

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I don't care for the limp pre-flop with two callers. I'd either raise or fold, depending on how the limpers play.



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DOES EVERY $#%@$#%##% HAND IN THIS FORUM HAVE TO BE RAISED PREFLOP!!!!


This is an easy limp. IF you know the limpers are terrible and the button + blinds are very tight and will most likely fold then yes you might think about raising, but no information we have indicates any of this.

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If they play badly post-flop, or way too loose pre-flop, then I want to raise. If they play well, then I call because the flush draw aspect of my hand becomes more important. It looks fairly clear-cut to me.

No, not every hand needs to be raised. I can see situations for calling, raising and even (gasp) folding this hand here with the exact same action, depending on the players involved.

The problem with A6s is that it's still not going to make a flush very often. Being suited does help, especially in the case of backdoor draws when you spike an ace and feel that you might be behind, as is the case much of the time with ace-rag. You are much more likely to flop a pair than a flush draw, and hitting an ace with this hand means you want fewer opponents.

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This is just terrible thinking. What I absolutely do not want when I am playing A6s is fewer opponents. Who is folding a better ace PF? Maybe a tighty will but he'll likely fold to your flop raise anyway.

And if I flop a flush draw, I will truly regret having fewer players, because there won't be enough guys left in the pot to pay me for the very thing I played the hand for in the first place.

If you had said, I want to raise it up because I hope the blinds will call it and there'll be a nice big pot for my flush when it comes, well, okay. But you want to thin the field with a hand that you hope to make a nut flush with? Dude, no. I can get away from A6 when I flop an ace without regrets but winning 6BB with my made flush just makes me cry.

[OrianasDaad]

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I don't care for the limp pre-flop with two callers. I'd either raise or <u>FOLD</u>, depending on how the limpers play.

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&lt;sigh&gt; [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I've made my complaint more clear, just in case there was any confusion.

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Edit: Meh, didn't read your post clearly enough.

Folding is certainly not my default play here, but I can think of situations where it could happen. I can understand the thought.

My raise or fold line is based on my belief that calling is the worst of the three options.

[drzen]

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I don't care for the limp pre-flop with two callers. I'd either raise or <u>FOLD</u>, depending on how the limpers play.

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&lt;sigh&gt; [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I've made my complaint more clear, just in case there was any confusion.

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No confusion as to your feelings. I am curious as to why calling is clearly better than raising; either in this spot or as a "default" play.

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He even bolded "fold" to give you a clue. There is absolutely no way this is a raise/fold hand. Not at least limping a suited ace in LP displays a genuine hatred of money.

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I have my opinions, and they are strongly held, but I also have a policy that I won't argue with anyone that isn't capable of changing my mind. I could be missing something, even though I think I'm not, and could change my mind to a convincing enough argument.

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LOL. You can't know what will change your mind before you change your mind!

[OrianasDaad]

No, but I'm honest enough with myself to know that my mind can be changed, and respect the Aaron W. enough to know that he is capable of changing my mind.

I didn't say "what" would change my mind, I said "someone who is capable" of changing my mind.

A6s is just a hand. Without some considerations of your opponents, it's not much more than that. "Not at least limping" infers that raising &gt; calling &gt; folding, which I disagree with in the majority of situations that arise in this spot. Feel free to allow me to continue to lose money this way.

Some hands can be raised in any situation. Some can be folded in any situation. I don't think there are any that can be limped in any situation.

Maybe I do need a raising rock. I need a better reason to limp than I do to raise pre-flop. Post-flop is an entirely different story. I don't know why I'm arguing with you, though.

On an aside note:

There are those who say "raising rock" to a suggestion to raise, and others who suggest that folding is a big mistake. In the spirit of furthering the learning process, how about explaining "why" something either should be played one way or played another way.

Just saying "how" doesn't achieve much of anything to those who are trying to learn.

[bravos1]

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I wanted to be first in, but had to search for Iggy's fabulous prose:

Use your Raising Rock.

(I'm going to see if I can't work up a graphic to go with this.)

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[bozlax]

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I wanted to be first in, but had to search for Iggy's fabulous prose:

Use your Raising Rock.

(I'm going to see if I can't work up a graphic to go with this.)

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