Too Big a Bet?

[kotkis]

Super weak-tight.

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I think it depends on how tight the raiser is. If he raises 99+ and Aq+ going all-in can't be terrible, can it?

[wiggs73]

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what is so bad with an all-in? Your raise will be huge anyway - but will still give AK a chance to bust you

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Or give AK the chance to put more money in the pot and CF the 2/3 of the time it doesn't hit. It also gives pairs you're actually ahead of a chance to do the same.

And FWIW, I would never show if I pushed QQ.

[wiggs73]

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I think it depends on how tight the raiser is. If he raises 99+ and Aq+ going all-in can't be terrible, can it?

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Yeah, but his open raising range can be quite different from his calling a push range.

[yvesaint]

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a pot-sized raise pf is to 45.



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$6 raise, plus 4 $6 callers, plus $1 and $2, isnt that $33?

or am I missing something?

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33 in pot, 6 to call. 33 + 9 = 39.

raise 39 MORE than your 6 to call = raise to 45

[Insistent_]

How do you know if opp. has a pair or an ace when the ace flops?
He most likely won't lose more money with an underpair to the ace or any other paint card. And if he is semi-good he will bet us out on the turn when we check back, scared of the ace (which we should be because AK is the most likely hand). The only good flop is low cards, where he has not flopped a set - something like 23T and JJ vs QQ.

[wiggs73]

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Super weak-tight.

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I agree and should point out that I only offered that line as a lower variance alternative to pushing pre-flop since it seemed that's what OP was looking for.

In order I like: pot it pre-flop, call pre-flop, push pre-flop, fold pre-flop.

[Insistent_]

If raise - raise bigger. Now it's pretty much "here's the odds you need in order to get an ace you can pair up with or represent." But then again there's the problem. If opp. goes all-in pre-flop, can we rule out AK in his hand distribution?

[wiggs73]

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How do you know if opp. has a pair or an ace when the ace flops?
He most likely won't lose more money with an underpair to the ace or any other paint card. And if he is semi-good he will bet us out on the turn when we check back, scared of the ace (which we should be because AK is the most likely hand). The only good flop is low cards, where he has not flopped a set - something like 23T and JJ vs QQ.

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A - I don't think it's too likely that a smaller pair bets on any street when it got raised preflop, the entire table called, and then the button put in a big raise.

B - It doesn't matter because I wouldn't check behind on the flop anyway.

[gutter]

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a pot-sized raise pf is to 45.



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$6 raise, plus 4 $6 callers, plus $1 and $2, isnt that $33?

or am I missing something?

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33 in pot, 6 to call. 33 + 9 = 39.

raise 39 MORE than your 6 to call = raise to 45

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Thanks