200NL | I get 4bet holding aces :)

[aislephive]

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Obviously if I'm calling it's not for set value. It's because I think I have the best hand and I think villain either will shut down if his 4 bet is called or if I know he will make a spewy cbet if I call his 4 bet.

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seems like more reason to push or fold, no?
i dont care what the reasoning is, calling a 4bet for that much of your stack with TT is terrible.

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Why would it make me want to push/fold? I said I'd call with TT/JJ/QQ if he was the type of player who would give up with air if his 4 bet was called. OR if he was the type of player who would cbet any flop with most of his range.

I probably wouldn't call with TT in that spot much anyways, but I can see there being merit to calling. Saying it's terrible without any real logic is well .. terrible.

[ArgusSpets]

if any ace flops, hes likely to get away from qq/kk. just my 2 cents, i dont care if you get it in or not

[Jay Riall]

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if any ace flops, hes likely to get away from qq/kk. just my 2 cents, i dont care if you get it in or not

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An Ace only flops 12% of the time and he is way more likely to fold preflop to make an Ace flopping any real concern.

[ArgusSpets]

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if any ace flops, hes likely to get away from qq/kk. just my 2 cents, i dont care if you get it in or not

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An Ace only flops 12% of the time and he is way more likely to fold preflop to make an Ace flopping any real concern.

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im aware of that 12% thingy, thanks, still dunno if calling is the play with higher ev. depends on flow... if he thinks youre likely to push him off his hands every time get it in. also ive seen ppl get away from big pp's on low flops on stars nl200...

[108]

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If you never shove bluff here, don't shove AA.

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[sdfsdf]

if you 3bet a lot then shove, otherwise call. it doesnt matter if you will bluff shove here or not, he will determine whether or not to call a shove by your 3bet frequency.

[pdoran10]

jigsaws - i feel like this is a pretty standard call here given stack sizes, unless you have a history of 4 betting with the villain.

The 4 bet he makes is only 1/5 his stack and it looks like he is thinking he is trying to re steal. with that said. i would take a flop, watch him cbet and almost always shove over his cbet.

i think 5 betting vs any competent thinking villain here is killing ur action 100% of the time, unless he has KK (which you can almost always stack him with on the flop anyways)

[bilbo-san]

Why isn't calling going to kill our action again?

Seriously, calling doesn't disguise our hand at all.

Oh, and if you are getting 4-bet smallish a lot then you should probably be shoving a lot of hands, anyways.

Don't see what the problem is. No one folds QQ+ the way the games are nowadays, and most people give up once their 4-bet bluff fails as well.

[pdoran10]

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Why isn't calling going to kill our action again?

Seriously, calling doesn't disguise our hand at all.


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I think any reasonable villan can put you on a wide calling range if he is making this small of a 4 bet, and therefor it shouldnt kill his tendency to cbet, or our action. if i am villain and you call my small 4 bet (which i wouldnt make btw) i could easily put you on a range of any PP and QJs+.

[Mothercanuck]

shove on his face so fast...