wow i'm not good at the poker 33

[Dam]

Please look at the pre-flop action a little more carefully and then see if you'd still limp here.

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Apologies - wasnt fully concentrating (half trying to do some work!) Yes, its not a limp - its a raise.

[Man of Means]

Preflop good if blinds are tight or you can outplay them postflop.

Flop looks like a check, raise, and cap. I know villain's 3-betting range has to be very small (AA-JJ,AK) and you're ahead of everything except AcKc. He might have TT but that possibility is smaller.

[tyler_cracker]

boobaholic,

i really like your flop/turn line, but not for this board [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

everyone is right that he isn't folding to your flop c/r unless he has exactly red AK (and even then he may peel). if he has a big [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in his hand, you want to extract bets while he's drawing. your line is so strong that if he's smart at all he should be able to get away from a worse hand on the turn.

benny,

i don't understand what you think Villain will fold on the river that we want him to fold. a set of Ks?

i c/c river. if we bet, better hands are calling or raising and worse hands are folding. if we check, USUALLY worse hands are checking and better hands are betting, but at least we get to showdown. plus, every once in a while we induce a "bluff" from red AA or something.

[Man of Means]

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if we check, USUALLY worse hands are checking and better hands are betting, but at least we get to showdown. plus, every once in a while we induce a "bluff" from red AA or something.

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worse hands are not always folding. red AA or AK for instance often makes a crying call but checks behind after all that action. if villain is highly aggro, c/c is fine but for most at micro-level you bet/fold.

"at least we get to showdown" is not a +EV consideration for c/c.

[tyler_cracker]

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"at least we get to showdown" is not a +EV consideration for c/c.

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really? you don't think folding the best hand would be -EV (and thus that NOT folding the best hand is +EV)?

in this specific case, villain is almost never raising with a worse hand, but that doesn't mean that getting to showdown has no bearing on the expected value of our river decision.

[shadow.]

r
b/c
c/r
b/f

holla

[John Dough]

It is true that the villain will call with most of his 3-betting range. The problem is that we're behind over 50 % of the time even to a typical preflop 3-bettor:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.821% 35.82% 00.00% 24 0.00 { 3d3h }
Hand 1: 64.179% 64.18% 00.00% 43 0.00 { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ }

With this villain it could be even worse:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.333% 33.33% 00.00% 5 0.00 { 3d3h }
Hand 1: 66.667% 66.67% 00.00% 10 0.00 { QQ+, AKs }

[Shillx]

I see no reason to bet the river unless it is a desperation (read: bad) bluff

[bravos1]

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r
b/c
c/r
b/f

holla

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I agree with this except the river.. he is not calling with hardly anything we beat and any raise is death as you point out w/ b/f. If we c/c, there will be many more hands that bet which we beat allowing us to see a SD and earn more BBs letting him bet w/ worse hands instead of folding them to our bet.

[Buzz-cp]

hmm bottom set, 4-flush board vs super-tight. I have a tough time putting any more money in the pot.