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can someone advocating the A2s raise give me a range for the limper that we're isolating? I just seem to run into a lot of aces that dominate me in that spot. [/ QUOTE ] XX suited, 22+, Axo, Kxo, J7+, Q7+, unsuited connectors, etc. |
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I am overcalling with A2s-A7s with two limpers in the pot and am raising A8s+. Having position and a lone limper, I am raising A2s+ most of the time.
Having postition is important here and ofcourse it depends on the limper and the blinds(you know that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). Some quick PokerStoveing: 2,910,916,800 games 5.187 secs 561,194,679 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 47.8847 % 43.14% 04.74% { A2s } Hand 2: 52.1153 % 47.37% 04.74% { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T9s, 98s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J9o+ } 5,698,547,712 games 10.375 secs 549,257,610 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 54.3744 % 51.79% 02.58% { A2s } Hand 2: 45.6256 % 43.04% 02.58% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o } --- 8,390,289,600 games 15.250 secs 550,182,924 games/sec Board: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 57.3789 % 55.51% 01.87% { A2s } Hand 2: 42.6211 % 40.75% 01.87% { random } ** someone else might come up with a better range for an unknown, open limper on CO? |
#13
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Da spade,
The figures are much more favourable than this. Because with all your + signs, ~1/3 of those hands would have raised rather than limped preflop. Guruman, When you look at the tighter range from DaSpade and take out AT LEAST the top quarter of hands, we definitely have grounds for raising. |
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1. Fold
2. Call, but i could see folding, a little short for set odds and less implied 3. Fold 4. Call, raise with a read 5. Call 6. Fold 7. Raise, have to punish CO open limping 8. Fold 9. Fold |
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Blind response, what I would do, not necessarily right or anything.
1.call 2.call, call 3.fold 4.fold, maybe 3bet if the raise was from CO or button 5.call 6.call 7.fold/call/raise depending on limper and the blinds 8.call 9.fold |
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Hand 1:
Fold. You have a hand which is pretty average, and the sb decided to go along for the ride. It's not really worth playing in this spot I reckon. Hand 2: I'd fold the first time around. 3 people are already in, so if I chose to play this, it would be for set value only. However, one of the players is already all-in, thereby reducing implied odds. So I'd throw it away, and wait for a better spot. Hand 3: Fold. It's a weakish hand, and you're gonna be out of position. But if you decide to play it, you should raise it so the BB doesn't come along for cheap. Although I really prefer a fold here. Hand 4: KJo isn't ahead of a whole lot of UTG raising hands. Most of the time, you're dominated in some way. Plus, you're gonna be out of position the whole way. It's either win a little, or lose a lot. So dump it! Hand 5: You're getting 6:1 immediate odds, 7:1 after UTG calls. 7:1 is enough to call for flush odds. This is an EASY CALL. Hand 6: Once again, you're getting 7:1 to call. I call here, unless the BB is the type of player to raise like 53647978% of the time. Hand 7: Raise. You're on the button, your hand is likely better than the blinds, and so you want to fold them out and isolate the limper, who might or might not have a better hand than you. And if the blinds come along, well, I have a decent multiway hand as well as position, so things aren't so bad. Hand 8: Fold. Is this even questionable? Hand 9: Fold. See 8... |
#17
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blind response:
hand 1 i fold because it is easily dominated. hand 2 call both and flop a set. hand 3 K7o is the low end of my completing range with one limper, so i fold. hand 4 fold vs. UTG raise. 3-bettable vs. aggressive stealers. hand 5 call. hand 6 complete unless BB raises a lot. hand 7 raising is good whether or not blinds fold. hand 8 fold. hand 9 fold. |
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Hand 1: I fold. I probably do that even if the Button is a much more aggressive stealer than he is. (SB can defend for me.)
Hand 2: I probably call both times. (I kind of wish the raiser wasn't all-in, though, since that cuts into the implied odds on my set.) The second call is easy. Hand 3: I fold. Hand 4: I fold. Hand 5: I probably call, but I think folding is okay too. Hand 6: I probably fold, but I don't mind a complete. The more likely BB is to raise, the less inclined you should be to complete here. Hand 7: I either call or fold. Hand 8: I fold. Hand 9: I fold. If Button hadn't limped and I was facing a SB open-raise, I'd be really tempted to call [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. But I don't know if SB open-raises are as common at 2/4 as they are at 3/6 and 5/10 or not. |
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