AC-ism in history?

[bocablkr]

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The answer is you. Did you need to use violence and coercion to get your job? To get your partner? When you bought your groceries? Your whole life is an AC society (well until April 17 at least). If violence is wrong in the personal and wrong in the abstract why does it become right in the foggy middle ground of government?

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I have never experienced this 'violence' you speak of - please elaborate.

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Try not paying your taxes.

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Why would I do that?

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You are paying protection money to the government so they do not use "violence" against you. If you stop paying, hello violence.

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If by protection, you are talking about the US military keeping me free, then I am happy to pay for that. Do you think I want to fight myself or pay someone to do it for me? Freedom is not free.

[tomdemaine]

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The answer is you. Did you need to use violence and coercion to get your job? To get your partner? When you bought your groceries? Your whole life is an AC society (well until April 17 at least). If violence is wrong in the personal and wrong in the abstract why does it become right in the foggy middle ground of government?

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I have never experienced this 'violence' you speak of - please elaborate.

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Try not paying your taxes.

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Why would I do that?

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You are paying protection money to the government so they do not use "violence" against you. If you stop paying, hello violence.

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If by protection, you are talking about the US military keeping me free, then I am happy to pay for that. Do you think I want to fight myself or pay someone to do it for me?

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No protection as in mafia protection money "wouldn't it be horrible if something nasty happened to you like having to go to jail."


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Freedom is not free.

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Coercion is not freedom.

[Taso]

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The answer is you. Did you need to use violence and coercion to get your job? To get your partner? When you bought your groceries? Your whole life is an AC society (well until April 17 at least). If violence is wrong in the personal and wrong in the abstract why does it become right in the foggy middle ground of government?

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I have never experienced this 'violence' you speak of - please elaborate.

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Try not paying your taxes.

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Why would I do that?

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You are paying protection money to the government so they do not use "violence" against you. If you stop paying, hello violence.

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If by protection, you are talking about the US military keeping me free, then I am happy to pay for that. Do you think I want to fight myself or pay someone to do it for me? Freedom is not free.

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I thought I'd heard that before.

[pvn]

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The answer is you. Did you need to use violence and coercion to get your job? To get your partner? When you bought your groceries? Your whole life is an AC society (well until April 17 at least). If violence is wrong in the personal and wrong in the abstract why does it become right in the foggy middle ground of government?

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The funny thing is most of the people here will recognize the flaw in the Martingale system - any collection of wagers that are all individually -EV must produce an overall negative EV - but they'll happily apply that logic they know is flawed to questions of morallity.

Consider the idea of "Moral Value" (MV).

Everyone agrees that personal initiation of violence is -MV.

Yet many will agree that if you do it on a large enough scale to enough people, it somehow magically becomes +MV.

Everyone (well, almost everyone) agrees that conducting a voluntary transaction is +MV.

Yet many suddenly think that if you do "too many" of these individual +MV transactions, you're suddenly a -MV "windfall profiteer".

[Nonfiction]

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Freedom is not free.

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What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had
Would you think about all them war vets
And would you start to feel bad

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill

Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty f**kin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck o' five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pussy
''cause the only reason that you're here
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill

Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty f**kin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five

[pvn]

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The answer is you. Did you need to use violence and coercion to get your job? To get your partner? When you bought your groceries? Your whole life is an AC society (well until April 17 at least). If violence is wrong in the personal and wrong in the abstract why does it become right in the foggy middle ground of government?

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I have never experienced this 'violence' you speak of - please elaborate.

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Try not paying your taxes.

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Why would I do that?

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You are paying protection money to the government so they do not use "violence" against you. If you stop paying, hello violence.

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If by protection, you are talking about the US military keeping me free, then I am happy to pay for that. Do you think I want to fight myself or pay someone to do it for me? Freedom is not free.

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I think it's swell that you've found something that you feel is a good deal and that you're happy to pay for.

What makes you think that everyone else should have to buy the same stuff you like?

[AlexM]

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By putting profits above people and their rights AC-ism seems

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ACism doesn't do this.

[Copernicus]

Find a "near AC society" in history, and you'll find a society that failed for the very reasons that the board "statists" have maintained are ACs weaknesses as a theory or as a practical possibility.

[Jamougha]

PVN,

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Everyone agrees that personal initiation of violence is -MV.

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This certainly isn't true. e.g. http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html

'The survey, conducted in December 2006 by the University of Maryland's prestigious Program on International Public Attitudes, shows that only 46 percent of Americans think that "bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians" are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified."'

Take a more personal example. You're standing in a group of people talking on your mobile phone at a bus stop. A woman collapses clutching her chest, apparently having a heart attack. The people there ask you to use your mobile to phone for an ambulance. If you refuse then most people will agree that they're justified in taking it from you, violently if necessary.

[AlexM]

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Find a "near AC society" in history, and you'll find a society that failed for the very reasons that the board "statists" have maintained are ACs weaknesses as a theory or as a practical possibility.

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Strange, I can't recall the Western U.S. failing. Seems to be doing pretty well actually. I guess it would have failed if statism hadn't crept in and taken over.