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#11
10-22-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
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Am I the only one who likes a river call here? I think a donk could be taking this line with something like 88. [/ QUOTE ] that never actually happens imo. i rarely see people donk around with midpairs on a board like this. 
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#12
10-22-2007, 04:23 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
if ur sample on him is only 200 hands, I woudlnt say that he is def passive, what have you noticed from him for the time he has been at your table? I think I might call here, maybe that is bad?
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#13
10-22-2007, 04:25 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
I'd raise turn to like 35 or 40 for a cheap show down.
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#14
10-22-2007, 04:27 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
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I'd raise turn to like 35 or 40 for a cheap show down. [/ QUOTE ] this isn't limit. its not like hes going to call with a gutshot and let you check it down...if you get called hes beating you.
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#16
10-22-2007, 04:38 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
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[ QUOTE ] Am I the only one who likes a river call here? I think a donk could be taking this line with something like 88. [/ QUOTE ] that never actually happens imo. i rarely see people donk around with midpairs on a board like this. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno, his line really doesn't look like a ten to me. He's obviously a donk by his stats, and the vast majority of donks are going to go for a checkraise with a ten here rather than take a weird line like this. When he donks the turn for half-pot I really feel like he has a weakish pocket pair and wants to see where he is cheaply. I don't think it's impossible that he might figure out that he's beat when we call the turn, but decide to try to bluff when the ace falls. Also, I think a turn raise is really bad here. He's never folding a better hand, rarely calling with a worse one, and if we are ahead, he has virtually no outs to beat us, so it's not like we need to protect.
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#17
10-22-2007, 04:41 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
clever didnt you have a lot more posts?
also, donks will c/c c/c lead river a LOT with big hands. they don't raise because they dont want you to fold, then they donk the river because they dont want you to check behind.
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#18
10-22-2007, 04:44 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
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clever didnt you have a lot more posts? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, you might be thinking of SomethingClever? [ QUOTE ] also, donks will c/c c/c lead river a LOT with big hands. they don't raise because they dont want you to fold, then they donk the river because they dont want you to check behind. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but I see the c/c c/c donk line with monsters a lot more than the c/c donk donk line. I'm not saying he can't have a ten here, but I think KK is good often enough.
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#19
10-22-2007, 04:46 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
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[ QUOTE ] clever didnt you have a lot more posts? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, you might be thinking of SomethingClever? [ QUOTE ] also, donks will c/c c/c lead river a LOT with big hands. they don't raise because they dont want you to fold, then they donk the river because they dont want you to check behind. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, but I see the c/c c/c donk line with monsters a lot more than the c/c donk donk line. I'm not saying he can't have a ten here, but I think KK is good often enough. [/ QUOTE ] oh right, i got the turn action wrong in my last post. i think your points are a lot more valid now, but i still think its a fold. i just dont see that enough for me to wanna call the river bet. and yes, i was thinking of somethingclever [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#20
10-22-2007, 06:58 AM
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Re: I fold KK on a paired board, but what has villain got?
I play it the same.
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