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#11
10-20-2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] If you are folding to the turn bet, you called the flop raise for what reason? [/ QUOTE ] turn completed all of villains range that hero was beating on the flop... heart draws and KQ to be specific. i think hands like 67hh/46hhh are very likely here hodings for villain here [/ QUOTE ] So, if the turn is 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], you open shove turn? 
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#12
10-20-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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i completely dont understand the logic behind "we called the flop so we must call the turn as well" [/ QUOTE ] You are misinterpreting. The bigger point is if you are folding on the turn, you should fold on the flop. You expect a LAG to just check it down to showdown after the flop action? No, when you call the flop, you need to know you are facing a psb on the turn alot...
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#13
10-20-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you are folding to the turn bet, you called the flop raise for what reason? [/ QUOTE ] turn completed all of villains range that hero was beating on the flop... heart draws and KQ to be specific. i think hands like 67hh/46hhh are very likely here hodings for villain here [/ QUOTE ] So, if the turn is 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], you open shove turn? [/ QUOTE ] probably not, but that would be waaay better than calling his shove on the Qh. i would probably b/f 1/2 pottish (we still have a full buyin behind and i doubt any villains shoves over this as a semibluff because it looks like we are commited and he should have very little FE. sometimes ch/rai if i think villain always fires at the turn after raising the flop woth his draws. and sometimes i would check call, maybe folding to a river shove.
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#14
10-20-2007, 08:33 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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DONT PUT MONEY IN THE POT IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. [/ QUOTE ]
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#15
10-20-2007, 08:41 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] DONT PUT MONEY IN THE POT IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] In this particular case I don't think we can apply this sentence. I fold this really quick.
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#16
10-20-2007, 08:44 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] DONT PUT MONEY IN THE POT IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] In this particular case I don't think we can apply this sentence. I fold this really quick. [/ QUOTE ] If hero puts villain on a fd and feel comfy stacking off on a blank turn this line is ok. But I don't think we can stack off on a blank turn, thus I don't think we should call the flop raise.
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#17
10-20-2007, 09:01 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] DONT PUT MONEY IN THE POT IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] In this particular case I don't think we can apply this sentence. I fold this really quick. [/ QUOTE ] If hero puts villain on a fd and feel comfy stacking off on a blank turn this line is ok. But I don't think we can stack off on a blank turn, thus I don't think we should call the flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] So you put him on 33 or 55 right? This is a pretty narrow range for a 28/25 aggro guy. We can't stack off on the flop, but I think he'll check behind a blank turn with a FD and bet with a set. Am I wrong here?
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#18
10-20-2007, 09:08 PM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] DONT PUT MONEY IN THE POT IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] In this particular case I don't think we can apply this sentence. I fold this really quick. [/ QUOTE ] If hero puts villain on a fd and feel comfy stacking off on a blank turn this line is ok. But I don't think we can stack off on a blank turn, thus I don't think we should call the flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] So you put him on 33 or 55 right? This is a pretty narrow range for a 28/25 aggro guy. We can't stack off on the flop, but I think he'll check behind a blank turn with a FD and bet with a set. Am I wrong here? [/ QUOTE ] I think he bets his fd on the turn too often. If he actually do plan to check the turn UI he'll still hit 32%. I want a better read to continue in this spot.
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#20
10-21-2007, 12:18 AM
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Re: AA deep with nfd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] DONT PUT MONEY IN THE POT IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND IT. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] In this particular case I don't think we can apply this sentence. I fold this really quick. [/ QUOTE ] If hero puts villain on a fd and feel comfy stacking off on a blank turn this line is ok. But I don't think we can stack off on a blank turn, thus I don't think we should call the flop raise. [/ QUOTE ] well i think part of the problem with your analysis is that villain is not stacking off on blank turn if he has a flush draw. and is everyone forgetting the fact that a 28/22/whatever LIMP/CALLED PF FROM MP? tha being said im pretty much fine with folding the flop. but like ive said several times already, im inclined to check this flop more often thatn i bet it vs a limp/caller. and no, thats not being results oriented.
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