99 setting up a big bluff push how does it look?

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GUYS! Everyone has to THINK UP A LEVEL. Come on guys, please, up a level!

OP, this is terrible.

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LOL villain folded JJ?

[whorasaurus]

jesus if you actually had the hand you are repping you would CRAI EVERY TIME HERE. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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wtf@ flop play?

[Irish Mafia]

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LOL villain folded JJ?

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Thats beyond bad.

And you can knock all the responses as "non-thinking" b/c you want to defend your highly sophisticated play. But the reality is, why would you over-bet shove here when your "gin" card fell (such that you now have QQQ or AK). Your hand looks like what it is - a bluff - in that you want the other two villains to fold. Folding JJJ here is ludicrous.

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also how do you expect someone to fold a set here let alone someone could easily have AK

[Irish Mafia]

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also how do you expect someone to fold a set here let alone someone could easily have AK

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I agree, based on the pf action this deep, one of the guys could EASILY have AK.

[I rebluff you]

OK so what, I got lucky because the villain thought also to the 4th level and folded his set of jacks? Normally in this situation I can't make a 4th or 5th level play because I can't assume villains will be thinking deeply on the 4th level instead of just looking at their hand strength vs what they think is my hand strength? Judging by the earlier replies in this thread it does seem people just think on the 1st or 2nd level only in a hand like this.

I probably should add that in the table chat prior to this hand, CO and a player were discussing a previous hand and CO showed he was thinking about "I knew you knew that I knew you would do this.." so that gave me incentive to set up this play.

[riverspecialist]

I think we all see what your getting at. i might be a bit more open minded to this play than the rest but i still think its bad. i've done plays like this before but they are very rare and usually live against a player who i know likes to "over think" themselves into a fold. apparently thats what u had, but i think that was luck because to get this good of a read online means u would probably get a better hourly rate by playing extra tables instead of coming up with strange marginal metagame lines once a week. Ive tried hands similar to this a dozen or so times in my life and they were much better spots. when u try something like this u should expect a lot of good players to say "ew, wtf?" but u should expect a few of the crazier ones to say "cool" but i dont think your gonna get that here.

its probably a good idea to keep metagame to a minimum online. like i said above, your hourly will suffer at the expense of chasing a small increase in you bb/100 (and a large increase in variance). also, u have to assume others pay enough attention so wen u do a marginal play like this they will see it and say "[censored] that guy im calling him with trash next time" or whatever.

also, your call on the flop is terrible. as far as ur logic goes that must be one of the better cards for you which u dont seem to agree with. your calling that flop bet for a "possibility" of having a marginal/meta situation on the turn? come on, whatever u think of ur turn play the flop cannot be good.

[I rebluff you]

I like the above advice, thanks riverspecialist. Yep I think if one thinks purely in terms of hourly rate then it's really not worth this much thinking on the one hand vs this particular good thinking villain to pull off a play like this. Yes the flop call is loose, but that's also exactly the point; at the time I wanted to build the pot and then take it down through a meta play. Maybe I was bored and wanted to outthink this big stack expert player, who knows. Yeah regardless of what I was trying to do, it's risky and people just don't fold their sets online... this was a rare occasion I got him to on a bluff. Certainly it's not something I'd try even once a month.