Calling Range vs RR from ShortStack

[Mike Kelley]

They really come in all shapes and sizes. The smart thing to do is start tight until you get a read and then adjust. I've seen 50/30's often.

[RiverMustelid]

Also look to the stack sizes - if they've let themselves slip to say $14 on a $100NL table and you've raised to $4, I will often call with undominated holdings like 76s. Its almost neutral EV and it makes them think you are a fish which you can exploit when you go back to normal ranges.

[Sandviper23]

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Also look to the stack sizes - if they've let themselves slip to say $14 on a $100NL table and you've raised to $4, I will often call with undominated holdings like 76s. Its almost neutral EV and it makes them think you are a fish which you can exploit when you go back to normal ranges.

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I usually just pick an hour out of each week and play like a 60/2/0.5/ fish the best I can. Really messes with the other regulars [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Mike Kelley]

I've been playing with the idea of starting my sessions like this for the first 2 or 3 rounds to mess with peoples poker trackers and get an image.

[solvine]

i think with 5/4 ss, ithink AQ+ JJ+ is not so bad for calling down. I would probably applie the same to 16/8 maybe add in TT. The thing is, if someone who is SS has TT/99, and you raise to $4 is he really going to fold even though he is 5/4??

[bottomset]

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Against a 5/4 SS, I think you can even argue about calling with AK and QQ.
Your second examples sound far too loose to me, I'd never ever call in such a spot with AT or 77. I think 99 or TT and AQs sounds better...

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16 to win 40 = 40% equity, so the 5/4SS would have to have a range of exactly AA/KK to be folding QQ pre

AA/KK = 0.9% pfr

[AlexB182]

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Against a 5/4 SS, I think you can even argue about calling with AK and QQ.
Your second examples sound far too loose to me, I'd never ever call in such a spot with AT or 77. I think 99 or TT and AQs sounds better...

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um

16 to win 40 = 40% equity, so the 5/4SS would have to have a range of exactly AA/KK to be folding QQ pre

AA/KK = 0.9% pfr

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Hm, ok. Convinced. What about AK, bottomset?

[bottomset]

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Against a 5/4 SS, I think you can even argue about calling with AK and QQ.
Your second examples sound far too loose to me, I'd never ever call in such a spot with AT or 77. I think 99 or TT and AQs sounds better...

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16 to win 40 = 40% equity, so the 5/4SS would have to have a range of exactly AA/KK to be folding QQ pre

AA/KK = 0.9% pfr

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Hm, ok. Convinced. What about AK, bottomset?

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well vs QQ+ AK(2.6% of hands) AKs and QQ are calls, AKo is very very tiny mistake to call

basically AKs = QQ > AKo

[Sandviper23]

Villain is a clear 5.1/4.8/3 with 273 hands.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $545.10
BB: $106.90
UTG: $49.00
UTG+1: $100.00
Sandviper23 (MP1): $205.35
MP2: $17.00
MP3: $62.55
CO: $35.80
BTN: $58.50

Preflop: Sandviper23 is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Sandviper23 raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises all-in to $17.00</font>, 5 folds, Sandviper23 calls $13.00

Flop: ($35.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Turn: ($35.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($35.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $35.50 ($35.50 Rake)

MP2 had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$17.00)
Sandviper23 had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$17.00)

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Villain is a clear 5.1/4.8/3 with 273 hands.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $545.10
BB: $106.90
UTG: $49.00
UTG+1: $100.00
Sandviper23 (MP1): $205.35
MP2: $17.00
MP3: $62.55
CO: $35.80
BTN: $58.50

Preflop: Sandviper23 is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Sandviper23 raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises all-in to $17.00</font>, 5 folds, Sandviper23 calls $13.00

Flop: ($35.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Turn: ($35.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($35.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $35.50 ($35.50 Rake)

MP2 had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$17.00)
Sandviper23 had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$17.00)

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wait, you are telling me that AA is in his range when he RR's preflop

am I getting this right?

wow I think I learned something new today, I'm pumped, I'm going to just start folding KK everytime I get RR because well he could have AA and man that would suck

ps 273 hands doesn't tell you that much about VPIP and PFR, he could easily be running 4-5% below normal, also could easily have not had AA/KK/QQ in that sample either