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Old 09-15-2007, 01:57 PM
Fantam Fantam is offline
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

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I'm thinking about a free showdown raise on the turn, as I'm sure I can fold to a 3-bet.

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Are you trying to gain an extra bet from AK calling a turn raise, or else folding and thereby protecting your hand ?

You have position in this hand, and I think that AK might still call a river bet from you unimproved if you dont raise the turn.

However, I doubt whether AK ui would call a river bet if you had raised the turn. So, I dont think that raising the turn would be likely to gain an extra bet if your hand was best and held up.
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Old 09-15-2007, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

*grunch

Villain bets hero raises, villain calls 9 times out of ten if he caps call down.

villain bets hero raises/calls cap.

villain bets hero calls.

its a few more bets than someone who you can trust with having a good hand in a wa/wb situation but over all this wins more money against these guys than the line you took.
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Old 09-15-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

I actually like this line if you fold the river.

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edited to clarify it is the OP's line.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

Raise flop, b/f turn and check behind on the scary river?

It will save you 1/2 BB when you get rivpwnd by AK, you can safely fold to further agression and it gets as much as possible in when you are ahead.

information and value hand in hand.
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

I like a flop call, with a turn raise if the board is safe, I dump on the turn if a A or K falls. And take the free showdown if you get the chance.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

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I'm thinking about a free showdown raise on the turn, as I'm sure I can fold to a 3-bet.

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Are you trying to gain an extra bet from AK calling a turn raise, or else folding and thereby protecting your hand ?

You have position in this hand, and I think that AK might still call a river bet from you unimproved if you dont raise the turn.

However, I doubt whether AK ui would call a river bet if you had raised the turn. So, I dont think that raising the turn would be likely to gain an extra bet if your hand was best and held up.

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I've made a silly mistake in my post. I'm OOP, it should be me checking first every street. That makes a free showdown raise on the turn a bad idea.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

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I've made a silly mistake in my post. I'm OOP, it should be me checking first every street. That makes a free showdown raise on the turn a bad idea.

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LOL, no problem. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

However, I am a bit confused as to the action now. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Do you need to redo your post ?
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

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I've made a silly mistake in my post. I'm OOP, it should be me checking first every street. That makes a free showdown raise on the turn a bad idea.

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LOL, no problem. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

However, I am a bit confused as to the action now. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Do you need to redo your post ?

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It's not that big a difference post-flop. Check-bet-call, Check-bet-call, Check-bet-?
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:37 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

Oh I see what happened now.

Should have realised from your post when you said that you were in the SB.

You should have bet the flop.

If your opponent raised your flop bet, then I think that you could probably have safely check/folded the turn unimproved.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

being OOP I'd probably play it the same way i would if I had something like A9s and CR the flop then play poker from there. I want this guy to be scared of me and I want to test him (early in the session). if you cant fold TT with no overcards then c/c may be ok.

c/c line allows him to extract 2.5 bets with JJ-AA and lets him put in minimal bets with overs.
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