44 hits set on flop, fills on turn. villain showing lots of aggression

[James.]

what % of the time are we going to get capped on the turn? that's the crux of the decision.

fwiw, i think it's low. like 10-15%. given it's a blind steal scenario(which i think is being overlooked), villain's range isn't capping much more than that % of the time. when he does cap, we are screwed more often than not but still have the odds to call down in the event he's getting out of line.

[Frank Zappy]

Cap the Turn and River too and don't look back.

If you lose with 4's full, remember, you have 4's full and you should cap every street with it.

The only thing giving villain credit for 55 or 77 accomplishes over the long run is to turn big winning nights into not so big winning nights or breakevens. These hands make a BIG difference in the long run.

Cap it.

[Bulletproof Monk]

one of the worst played hands in 2+2 history....

3bet turn. if he caps [censored] him raise the river.... capping the river is marginal but probly correct

[Bulletproof Monk]

actually no river is a very easy cap

[BigBadBabar]

lol again bullet, go drink some coffee or something

pf and flop are fine, i'd just keep going and at least get the turn capped and raise the riv/call a 3bet probably

[tyler_cracker]

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one of the worst played hands in 2+2 history....


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dude there are four worse played hands on the front page right now.

[Xhad]

There is a lot of absurdity in this thread.

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Villain bets. I raise here rather than on the turn because I want to charge a potential flush draw.

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Good flop raise, but this isn't the reason. You raise because you don't want AA to pucker up when a scary turn hits, or to convince JJ to fold when the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turns, etc.

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actually no river is a very easy cap

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No.

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and reraises from blinds are usually good hands so i doubt he has 77

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Actually 3betting a hj raise could be almost any pair if the blinds know what a blind steal is.

3bet turn/call down if he shows any more aggression at all/bet river if he doesn't.

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You may find it interesting to hear that I think you underplayed your hand.

Prelop was good imo.

Your flop raise was good, but FWIW I would not have capped. Thats not because you dont have a strong hand. You have position on your opponent. So, I would have called the flop 3-bet, with the intention of raising their probable turn bet.

Your opponent's turn check raise was somewhat unexpected. However, there are a few things to consider:

1. Your preflop raise was from a late position, so your opponent may not have given you credit for a very good starting hand (he would have been correct), and had therefore decided to defend his blind strongly if he connected well with the flop.

2. The board did not look as though it would have improved that many hands of what he may have considered would have been a reasonable preflop raising range for you. (Thats assuming that he considered that at all)

3. Your opponent may simply have thought that he had the best hand. (Your set of 4's on the flop, turned full house on the turn were very well hidden.)
Their were plenty of worse hands that your opponent may have decided to check raise the turn with :
A7 or an even weaker top pair hand.
Any hand that contained a 5.
A made straight, such as 68. (Note that he would have flopped the straight also)

Anyway, it was too soon to worry about 77 or 55 (only 1 comb that he can have for 55) after the turn check raise. So, I would have 3-bet the turn. You had the 3rd best possible hand (3rd nut) on the turn !

Your opponent probably bet the river, thinking that he had the best hand, because you only called his turn check/raise.

So, assuming that he would have checked the river to you otherwise, I would have bet the river.

If your opponent had capped a turn 3-bet and led the river, I might have considered just calling a river bet. However, even then it may have still been better to raise imho.

Basically, I think that you missed a few bets.

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[Chris Daddy Cool]

you slowed down way too soon.

[Buzz-cp]

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one of the worst played hands in 2+2 history....

3bet turn. if he caps [censored] him raise the river.... capping the river is marginal but probly correct

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if you play the hand like this (cap turn & river), then I would say it's in the top 10 worst.