27s, AK as a CL, is it a bad call?

[BicVicTheQuick]

Put this info into an ICM software like SNGWIZ and you'll get your answer!

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According to SNGPT this is -EV only if his range is really tight, i.e., JJ+, AQ+. Otherwise it's a profitable call. Even with JJ+, AJ+ it's profitable.

For him to push profitably here he needs TT+, AK. Since he is over 10BB, actually pushing any hands here is bad, and I agree it's even less likely he pushes top hands.

The call is fine, particularly since you don't bust out and will still be second when you lose, and are in really great shape and ITM when you win, which is a lot of the time.

[Hamburglar]

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his 55 was a -EV/bad shove

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AKs a -EV call but it's probably for pennies at this level so
really it's no biggie.

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Could you please explain this? I call here with AKs 99.9 outta 100. Why would that be a bad move?

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i don't play the 27s but from my experience at my level if 2nd chip leader were to push 13bb on bubble his range would be hands strong enough to call reraises, most likely AQ+,JJ+ which means he doesn't want you (chip leader to push on him). we rarely dominate anything. plus w/ 6k we can own the blinds all day long, there is no need to gamble here. i didn't say it was a horrible call, just a sightly negative marginal one. i didn't do icm so i'm not sure. only thing i'm sure about it is that WE COULD OWN THE BLINDS ALL DAY W/ 6K.

[Niggel]

I think the people who would fold this aren't really scared of gambling or anything it's just sometimes good to keep the bubble alive with you as an CL. In this hand 2 people are ~2k and therefore playing passively to get ITM. As a CL you can take advantage of this and earn alot of chips on the bubble.

Back to topic: Without any special read I think a call is fine here.

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Chances are pretty low OP will have a pushing hand, so I can't see this as a great reason to push a hand you'd rather have action on with only 3 opponents left. The two big hands, AA & KK, he especially would like to see OP push against, which makes them even less likely.

[BradleyT]

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According to SNGPT this is -EV only if his range is really tight, i.e., JJ+, AQ+. Otherwise it's a profitable call. Even with JJ+, AJ+ it's profitable.

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Well the problem is that you're including AJ. Change that to be more realistic and you'll get -EV. 55+,AQs+,AQo+ is -.6%. AQ shove might not be realistic either - 55,AKs,AKo is -1.3%.

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I agree that's a better range. Even with QQ, KK, AA removed (and AQ included) this is marginally -EV.

Okay so the lesson is fold AK in this spot, unless villain is a complete maniac.

[Pudge714]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone here.
Snap call.
55 isn't that bad a shove with antes and if the cleader is playing so nitty that he will fold AKs to a shove it is probably good.
Edit: If his range is
88-QQ, AQo, ATs this is +0.5 throw in AA and KK it is just over breakeven.
And if we are folding AKs shoving 55 is +EV vs. pretty much any range although standard open could be more +EV