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Old 08-17-2007, 09:55 AM
bob_sacamano bob_sacamano is offline
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

check/fold. can't see how a cbet is good here. with the short allin, you wont get much from this if you dont spike a card, IMO.
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

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Preflop is fine. I tend to give up on this flop.

If he is decent, his calling range would be something like TT+, AK. Mostly TT-QQ and AK. And he is not folding to a cbet on this board. You only fold a split.

If he is a tagfish, his range includes a lot of queens and middle suited connectors that obviously hit.

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How do you know hes not folding to a c-bet on this board If you dont make one ...

This Flop is a standard C bet for me in this spot Im gone If he raises me...

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yeah, no, ur wrong sorry don't cbet :/.
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

Ok what if the short stack isnt all in here would a cbet then be considered???
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

No. Cbetting ace flop in 3bet pots into two people is usually not a very good idea.

ps I misread your last question.
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

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Ok what if the short stack isnt all in here would a cbet then be considered???

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without him, Id probably cbet.
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

please elaborate
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:47 AM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

yeah shortstack is what makes it bad. Dunno if I cbet this just headsup but 3 way is pretty yikes on that flop.
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:57 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

Wait I get it ...

A cbet here is bad because you cant win the pot here... you still have to see SD with the SB all in anyway....

Even if the other guy folds....

Got there ITE I think :S
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

Ye, thats regarding shortstack. The pot is "protected" by the all in shorty. But if he was full stack, cbet would still be unprofitable since one of them is likely to have an ace or call with some sort of a strong pocket like QQ.
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - AKo OOP against decent player.

What about if there is no shortstack? I'm HU against villain. Is that an obvious cbet or is it still arguable?
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