3/6 LIMIT HOLDEM

[bernie]

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The rake on 3/6 Holdem used to be $1.00 or less.

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Back in the 70s maybe.

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That is a crystal clear, "all the players will eventually bust out" scenario.

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Yes, if you completely ignore that most of these players have jobs and aren't on a limited bankroll for this limit.

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[jesse8888]

The 3/6 game at my local casino has a 3 dollar rake, a 1 dollar jackpot collection, and a standard tip of 1 dollar. I tell myself the jackpot collection is break-even (I did hit quads during the special hours once and was paid $100 and could someday win the big one) and thus I'm being charged 4 dollars every time I win a pot.

It is hard for me to believe that for every pot I win my opponents make less than 4 dollars worth of mistakes that I would not make. My results at the 3/6 game seem to agree (I have since moved up to 6/12). I once had a session where I won 350 dollars in 4 hours.

In short, I think everyone in this thread is at least partially correct. The rake at a 3/6 table is absurd, most of the players "go busto" but reload from their real world jobs, and good players can easily overcome the rake. The opposition is just that bad.

[Gen Sterling]

But can good players really overcome the rake, and how?

I must admit that I don't grasp, at all, how, in the long run, the rake will bust a player, though everyone else seems to think it will, and I'm NOT taking into account that some have jobs and lots of money, because even those who do, IF the statement is correct that the rake will bust you, it's still a loss.

I think my casino takes as much as $6, which includes $1 for the Bad Beat Jackpot.

[mikeca]

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But can good players really overcome the rake, and how?

I must admit that I don't grasp, at all, how, in the long run, the rake will bust a player, though everyone else seems to think it will, and I'm NOT taking into account that some have jobs and lots of money, because even those who do, IF the statement is correct that the rake will bust you, it's still a loss.

I think my casino takes as much as $6, which includes $1 for the Bad Beat Jackpot.

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In most live 3/6 games, if you cannot overcome the rake, you are not a good player.

To start with, good players do not win that many pots in any game. The bad players win many more pots, so they pay most of the rake. Now in most 3/6 games, with so many more people seeing flops and calling too much, a good player will win even fewer hands, because there will be more suck outs. But when you do win a pot, it will be much larger because of all the poor play. On average the rake + toke in 3/6 is going to be around 1BB per pot won (The rake is 4 dollars where I play right now.) So basically there only has to be one player at the table calling a turn or river bet in each pot when he shouldn’t to make up for the rake. Most live 3/6 games are full of players making those mistakes.

If you look at the percentage of the money that goes off the table for the drop or tokes over the course of a session, it might seem that would make the game unbeatable. But a good player doesn’t play many hands, so that is mostly the bad player’s money going off the table. As long as there is a waiting list to replace the poor players that bust out, it doesn’t matter to you.

Now what is true is that live 3/6 is a higher variance game. Because of all the poor players calling you down with random cards, you get a lot more bad beats. You can go for hours sometimes without winning a hand. Frequently you only need to win one or two pots to make up for much of that, but it can take a while before that happens. If that causes you to start playing poorly, then you need to leave when that happens. Otherwise you will not be able to beat the game.

[James.]

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Why are players still playing 3/6 Holdem, in public poker rooms? Over the years, the rake has increased and the value of a dollar has diminished. Recreation?

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Ya think?

Why do people continue to play roulette or pai gow or even slots when it's a longrun loser?

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ding, ding, ding.