Simple preflop question

[higHstaKesOwneR]

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so why are you 3betting 22-55?

edit: unless you fold them. im really confused by your post here.

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lol sry i was only thinking of sc's suited connecters and stuff like this :P
don't thoguht of pp's [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

22-55 is w/o history also for me just a call but sometimes i also 3-bet them ( if villian is a very loose stealer...)


but i still like raising sc's vs. villians that have a pretty high att.2steal

hope i can let you know what i mean

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Do you 3bet wide ?

[punter11235]

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Do you 3bet wide ?

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Basically anything playable in situation you described in your post (63s included for curious mind).

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Isn´t that pretty exploitable ?

Also, isn´t it better to call with hands like KQ as raising tends to make dominated hands fold ?

[punter11235]

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Isn´t that pretty exploitable ?

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I dunno. Any ideas how to exploit it ?

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Also, isn´t it better to call with hands like KQ

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Maybe. So far I only tried it with AK/AQ maybe other broadways are good candidate to call with too.

I dont want to go too far into it as many ppl I play daily with read this forum and as many of them are slow on spotting those things they will surely notice when they read about here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Trix]

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Isn´t that pretty exploitable ?



I dunno. Any ideas how to exploit it ?

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Pushing wider, calling and playing back on flops..

[higHstaKesOwneR]

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lso, isn´t it better to call with hands like KQ

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hm yeah i really like 3-betting suited connector/grabber/2-grabber and unsuited connected much more
hands like KQ i also like to just call ip because if you raise your is very often dominated hand that can become very expensive in rr pots :P


i like 3-betting hands w/ good implied odds and i don't think that this is very exploitable because you basicly can hit really every flop hard...
you can have AA as an overpair, trips on a J66r board... just any stuff
and oop in a rr pot it's even harder to know for villian where he is at than if you are only 3-betting AQ+ TT+...


lol my english seems to be very bad [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
but you got my point?

[jfish]

punter,

do you still do this when you get to 200bb+? it seems silly to waste positional advantage.

[punter11235]

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do you still do this when you get to 200bb+? it seems silly to waste positional advantage.

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I think the bigger the stacks the more reason to 3bet more.
Imo your argument is weak without some concrete numbers. You could use it for example for HU play from SB (SB = button, 100BB stacks) : "Why raise instead of limping ? Wasting positional advantege seems a bit silly".

I understand that positional advantage is less important with shallower stacks (relatively to the pot) but :
a)the pot is bigger so smaller relative advantage may result in bigger $$ advantage
b)in exchange for positional (relative) advantage you get additional FE preflop and somethign which is called "initiave" (which basically means that Villain will play more passively and he could put you on diffrent range than you actually have).

So I dont think its that simple...