Push these 2 for value?

[king_of_drafts]

I'd just call both, shoving hand 2 is definitely atrocious

[Ship Ship McGipp]

god 1 is really close. i think he's got broadway hearts more than 45hh, but also plenty of air and sometimes a set- regardless, i think you need meta to exsist that you didn't describe in the OP to shove the river- that is, he's gotta know "this guy is plenty good enough to shove the river with AxKh as a bluff" and they've gotta think meta and leveling wise you're "ready" to do it... without any of that, seems like a call logistically.

hand 2 i like a shove, good players don't check behind that ace when they hit it, imo

[Bill King]

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I'd just call both, shoving hand 2 is definitely atrocious

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[Ship Ship McGipp]

are multiple people really calling a shoving in hand two atrocious?

[10K-in-Clay]

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hand 2 i like a shove, good players don't check behind that ace when they hit it, imo

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good players yes but we don't know if the villain in hand two is good (from what i understand its not the same villain as in hand 1) i find a lot of players will check this ace when they hit it so i definately can't see how shoving this river is good.

[emil3000]

I think both are really close, but I think I'd call them both. I think a shove is better in hand 2. A lot of players do check behind when they hit their ace, even good ones. Still looks a lot like you could be bluffing so he'll make a thin call every now and then. In hand 1 your line looks superstrong, so unless some sick meta exists it's gonna be tough for him to call with a set, and there are probably more flushes that beat you than not in his range. It's possible he even folds some tiny flushes occasionally.

[ahnuld]

Ok, I called in hand one and shoved in hand 2.

Hand one he had garbage, like 96o.
Hand two, for the people who said shoving is atrocious, why? Ill often CR river bluff, and arent I way ahead of his river vbing range?

[Jay.]

I agree with everything Ship Ship McGipp said. Esp. about in the first hand you need some pretty sick back history in his mind to shove it. Being capable AND seen to have turned AK AJ into a bluff.

Hand 2 is a def a shove, you're hand is well hidden, you could hold lots of bluff hands, he knows you know he's weak, he's unlikely to hold better. Just give him the rope and see if he takes it.

People who call here are easy to play against.

[TheWorstPlayer]

hand 1 def shove.
hand 2 i'd probably open shove river or something weird like that but once you get there, i probably call because yes of course he'll snap call every ace, but i dont think he calls worse than an ace and i dont think you're ahead of 50% of his ace+ hands.

[ahnuld]

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hand 1 def shove.
hand 2 i'd probably open shove river or something weird like that but once you get there, i probably call because yes of course he'll snap call every ace, but i dont think he calls worse than an ace and i dont think you're ahead of 50% of his ace+ hands.

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are you even pretending to not be a troll anymore?