Hand from Level 1 of tonight's 1k FTOPS

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Shannon,
I like how you played this hand a lot.

I think PF is a clear call. If you 3bet you basically need to fold to a 4bet

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Why?
If it is an easy fold to a 4bet, isn't this a clear 3bet?

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Levelled?

[colson10]

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Shannon,
I like how you played this hand a lot.

I think PF is a clear call. If you 3bet you basically need to fold to a 4bet

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If it is an easy fold to a 4bet, isn't this a clear 3bet?

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Yeah, but the problem is that it isn't an easy fold vs an unknown, at least not for me.

Shannon, good to see you here. I like your preflop play. I think you should be c/ring this flop planning on getting it in. If he has AA/KK, so be it. He will have a tough time getting off JJ/TT/99 here often thinking you're trying to find out where your "77" is at. C/ring also protects against Ax hands, and some players will be jamming AK/AQ over your c/r. I think playing it cautiously is giving up too much value vs most unknowns you will encounter this early in a tourney with this size field (even with the size of the buyin).

As played to the river, I probably call the shove, but I'm not that sure about it.

[Ansky]

agree completely w/ colson on every point.

[Casper0]

Obviously I'm a lowly stranger ...but wanted to comment in a questioning manner that if we are not check-raising the flop how do we avoid being much more lost through the rest of the hand?

I know that I (which isn't saying alot) would almost always check-raise this flop knowing that at least the rest of the hand becomes somewhat more clear no?

As colson said ...I am assuming if we are check-raising the flop it is with the intention of getting it all in ...but is there any merit to folding after we check-raise and he shoves?

The way it played out once you get to the river with your hand being so underrepped is villain not right to almost be pushing any 2 that he got here with?

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Shannon,
I like how you played this hand a lot.

I think PF is a clear call. If you 3bet you basically need to fold to a 4bet

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If it is an easy fold to a 4bet, isn't this a clear 3bet?

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Yeah, but the problem is that it isn't an easy fold vs an unknown, at least not for me.

Shannon, good to see you here. I like your preflop play. I think you should be c/ring this flop planning on getting it in. If he has AA/KK, so be it. He will have a tough time getting off JJ/TT/99 here often thinking you're trying to find out where your "77" is at. C/ring also protects against Ax hands, and some players will be jamming AK/AQ over your c/r. I think playing it cautiously is giving up too much value vs most unknowns you will encounter this early in a tourney with this size field (even with the size of the buyin).

As played to the river, I probably call the shove, but I'm not that sure about it.

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like ansky, i agree with every point here. i also like the call preflop, i've been mixing in a lot more calls with my bigger hands with exciting results.

also, i saw at least on one occasion yesterday a player who jammed over top in a situation like this with AQ (coughnathcough).

[coolmoedee]

I think this was a great slowplay except you forgot to call the river....as we all know its very hard to throw away qq when its by far the highest pair on the board and no flush or str8 can beat you. How you dont call I will never know, I call that river everytime and pay my dues when he turns over aces or kings. You could have got a little more info about the hand if you would have raised on the flop or turn but as played you HAVE to call on the river.
Another question to you.....did you put him on aa or kk the whole time? Because it seems the way you played it that you did.

[nath]

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Shannon,
I like how you played this hand a lot.

I think PF is a clear call. If you 3bet you basically need to fold to a 4bet

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If it is an easy fold to a 4bet, isn't this a clear 3bet?

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Yeah, but the problem is that it isn't an easy fold vs an unknown, at least not for me.

Shannon, good to see you here. I like your preflop play. I think you should be c/ring this flop planning on getting it in. If he has AA/KK, so be it. He will have a tough time getting off JJ/TT/99 here often thinking you're trying to find out where your "77" is at. C/ring also protects against Ax hands, and some players will be jamming AK/AQ over your c/r. I think playing it cautiously is giving up too much value vs most unknowns you will encounter this early in a tourney with this size field (even with the size of the buyin).

As played to the river, I probably call the shove, but I'm not that sure about it.

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like ansky, i agree with every point here. i also like the call preflop, i've been mixing in a lot more calls with my bigger hands with exciting results.

also, i saw at least on one occasion yesterday a player who jammed over top in a situation like this with AQ (coughnathcough).

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What? When did I do that? I really doubt I did it in the first level vs. an EP raiser.

[MrTimCaum]

i agree strongly with colson, especially on the flop

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nath,

the circumstances were slightly different, but you were the EP raiser with AQ, the button called you, and you bet/3bet pushed a very raggy flop. and then you immediately told me how bad it was.

[mastr]

I think flop coudl go either way, but i'm fine with Shannon's line. Definately call river for online play. and it should be called quickly in my mind