LIVE top set facing flop cap versus nit

[Harv72b]

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wrong!!
raise turn is the right play. they could also have one or two pair the player behind could still be on a draw. If someone allready has his street you have 10 outs and if all 3 call your ep is close to 0. The pott is allready big so you should try to win the pott not to save money.

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You can account for 3 of the jacks, which makes a two pair hand far less likely. And given the action, in a 3/6 live game I think you're up against a made straight very, very often. This after the flop cap & turn lead; I think it's even more certain after your turn raise gets 3bet; and again, with all these players sticking around it's almost certain that some of your 10 outs are in their hands. Really, I think your best hope of being ahead at this point is that the villain flopped a lower set (or that villain is a drunken maniac).

I think a lot of players revert to the old "charge the draws" credo in situations like this, without ever stopping to think about how often they are the ones who are drawing.

[Lucky_River]

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wrong!!
raise turn is the right play. they could also have one or two pair the player behind could still be on a draw. If someone allready has his street you have 10 outs and if all 3 call your ep is close to 0. The pott is allready big so you should try to win the pott not to save money.

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You can account for 3 of the jacks, which makes a two pair hand far less likely. And given the action, in a 3/6 live game I think you're up against a made straight very, very often. This after the flop cap & turn lead; I think it's even more certain after your turn raise gets 3bet; and again, with all these players sticking around it's almost certain that some of your 10 outs are in their hands. Really, I think your best hope of being ahead at this point is that the villain flopped a lower set (or that villain is a drunken maniac).

I think a lot of players revert to the old "charge the draws" credo in situations like this, without ever stopping to think about how often they are the ones who are drawing.

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Your hand is strong the pott is over 40 SB ( on the turn over 20 BB) Villian may have a street (but may be somthing else) 2 player have still to act after your raise if someone foldet 7x you may get the T as 4 outs if your ahead, i think the pott is to big and your hand to strong (may be your ahead if not you have a couple of outs) I wouldn't try to save a bet (may be 2 if i get 3-bet) but to bring the opponents behind me to fold.

[invictus33]

The only reason I would call the turn bet is because this is a live LAP villian. Online it would be really hard to not hit the raise button. With all the dead money along for the ride I don't think it's a huge deal either way. You're going to make it up on the river if you improve anyway and you save some bets if your read is right.

[Harv72b]

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I wouldn't try to save a bet (may be 2 if i get 3-bet) but to bring the opponents behind me to fold.

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It bears mentioning that any hand which folds when you raise the turn, you didn't want to fold.

[StrictlyStrategy]

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I wouldn't try to save a bet (may be 2 if i get 3-bet) but to bring the opponents behind me to fold.

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It bears mentioning that any hand which folds when you raise the turn, you didn't want to fold.

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Seriously, why would you want two pair to fold, they are drawing completely dead and you're getting at least 3 bets from them if they fill on the river.

[StrictlyStrategy]

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Really?
is raise turn is the right play? they could also have one or two pair the player behind could still be on a draw. If someone allready has his street you have 10 outs and if all 3 call your ep is close to 0. The pott is allready big so maybe you should try to win the pott not to save money?

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FYP

And also, no.

I wouldn't try to value bet trips against the absolute nuts, nor would I try to get bottom two to fold when I have top set.