25NL: Three Barrell

[pacman2k7]

ATs UTG : easy fold preflop, hard to play it especially OOP againts any caller (except blinds) either Ace or Ten on flop.

As played reads on villain could be helpful here (WTSD%, fold to turn & river bet)

On these stakes people can't fold a pair..

I don't like the river bet...

[sww]

You have to find hands that are better than yours and call the turn but fold the river to justify this. Flushdraw is no good because you beat it unless he had Q and then he might call this after all. 88-TT? Not too many hands and they are supposed to raise the flop anyway. So I can't see too much value in the river bet.

[BoerfSt]

I wanne know what he had to call the river bet.

[Sweir]

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ATs UTG : easy fold preflop, hard to play it especially OOP againts any caller (except blinds) either Ace or Ten on flop.


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Raising ATs UTG is fine at 6-max so long as you can play well postflop and your image/the table image is correct.

I also check the river.

[Sweir]

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I wanne know what he had to call the river bet.

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I would guess: 88-JJ, Qxdd, maybe a 5 or 66.

[Wondercall]

Thanks for the replies, sorry I blacked out last night and couldn't post results. Villain had TT.

And yeah I'm not too worried about my preflop range.

[Supwithbates]

This is horrible

If you're going to pull a bluff, there are so many things that go into it and I feel as if you kinda just felt like bluffing and hoped he'd fold.

1) how intelligent is villain? If he doesn't pay attention, then this is bad. If you don't know, this is bad. If he pays attention but is a fish/station, this is bad. Judging by his line, I'd say this is bad (and the fact you offer no read)

2) If you've decided villain is competent, on to the next step. What story is villain telling? based on what you know of his play, what range of hands is he playing this way? How likely is villain to fold these hands within his range, and what would it take to do so?

3) What story are you trying to tell? What kind of hand are you trying to represent based on your line and the board, and will this hand be one that could scare villain off his possible holdings?

4) When you get to the river, assess what you beat, what you can make fold, and how best to achieve that. If your opponent was calling on a draw, it makes no sense to bet an ace-high draw because you fold out hands you're beating and get called by hands that beat you.


In this hand, I'm going to go ahead and guess that villain is a passive fish. It is incredibly difficult to put this type of player on a hand since they don't take lines unique to a hand, they just c/c if they think they might be good. Don't bluff these players, they call too often and won't give enough information for you to know whether you're bluffing into the nuts.

That being said, on this board the only types of hands we can reasonably put villain on are one pair type hands, he's probably check/minraising the seven on the turn. He also could have a flush draw, in which case betting is useless.

What type of one pair hands are calling flop and turn but folding to river? This type of player isn't good enough to fold 88 here, maybe not even 66. You might fold out a pair of 5s by betting river, but I'm not even sure that's the case if he's bad enough to call turn.

What hand are you trying to represent here? A big overpair? A set? AQ? Your range of hands is so wide on a river bet that even most thinking villains are going to look you up pretty lightly, the only thing you fold out is whiffed draws that you beat already. That and the fact that this is such a drawy board and none of the draws got there, if I'm villain I'm c/c my entire range of made hands once I've taken this line.

[dawade]

I lol'ed when I saw the name of this thread.

As a general rule of thumb, I'm NEVER three barrelling at 25NL.

[creamfillin]

maybe you shouldn't post whether he called or not next time

[Wondercall]

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maybe you shouldn't post whether he called or not next time

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What does this have anything to do with the hand? Please think before you post. Its the concept, not the result.