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#11
05-08-2007, 11:29 AM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
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[ QUOTE ] There are times when you can fold a set. This is not one of them. Not even close, actually. Call turn and get in in by any means possible on any river. [/ QUOTE ] I probably should have mentioned that the villian was a 10/8/3 12 tabler. His check call on the flop should have been a red flag, and I really feel like I should have slowed down and made a half pot sized bet on the turn where I could still have some room. I don't think this villian takes this line with any hand other than QQ or JJ and JJ is impossible. [/ QUOTE ] So it's a cooler, whatever. Even 12 tablers do weird things with AA/KK or even 66/QJ. Coolers happen, get over it, next hand. 
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#12
05-08-2007, 11:44 AM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
How can you imagine that laying down a set on a board with no straights and no flushes is a good idea?
Get your stack in, and if you lose it, move on. Maybe you don't know this, but you can't win every hand.
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#13
05-08-2007, 12:01 PM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There are times when you can fold a set. This is not one of them. Not even close, actually. Call turn and get in in by any means possible on any river. [/ QUOTE ] I probably should have mentioned that the villian was a 10/8/3 12 tabler. His check call on the flop should have been a red flag, and I really feel like I should have slowed down and made a half pot sized bet on the turn where I could still have some room. I don't think this villian takes this line with any hand other than QQ or JJ and JJ is impossible. [/ QUOTE ] Given his stats he is no where near nitty enough to narrow his range down to QQ only unless you have some other read or history with him. [/ QUOTE ] When he came over the top on the turn I was sure I was beat. I have over 5k hands logged with him and I have never seen him get out of line. When someone has an AF of 3-4 over 5k+ hands and the raise PF UTG and check a Q high flop. It is highly suspicious. Had he led out the flop I would have felt better about going broke here. I am disappointed that I didn't trust my gut and read on this hand. Sometimes a hand history doesn't portray everything that you feel during the hand due to prior hands with villian, etc. I don't care how much of a cooler a hand is, if you KNOW you are beat sometimes you just have to fold. I have no problem with coolers, but sometimes you have to make the big fold, and this felt like the time to do it. I probably fold too much, but I don't think it hurts my bottom line.
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#14
05-08-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
Wow, guess I should explain my reasoning. On the flop I can put UTG on a lot of hands, Button overcalling concerns me. What is he calling a raise PF with and just over calling with on such a dry flop that I can beat? AK? AQ? A6s? This seems like a reasonable line for 66.
UTG leading pot on turn concerns me, does he really do that in what was a 5 way preflop pot and 2 callers on that dry of a flop with AK? He is a solid player. Is it possible he has 66, AA, or a doubtful 99? So if he does have AK, am I putting both players here on AK?
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#16
05-08-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There are times when you can fold a set. This is not one of them. Not even close, actually. Call turn and get in in by any means possible on any river. [/ QUOTE ] I probably should have mentioned that the villian was a 10/8/3 12 tabler. His check call on the flop should have been a red flag, and I really feel like I should have slowed down and made a half pot sized bet on the turn where I could still have some room. I don't think this villian takes this line with any hand other than QQ or JJ and JJ is impossible. [/ QUOTE ] Given his stats he is no where near nitty enough to narrow his range down to QQ only unless you have some other read or history with him. [/ QUOTE ] When he came over the top on the turn I was sure I was beat. I have over 5k hands logged with him and I have never seen him get out of line. When someone has an AF of 3-4 over 5k+ hands and the raise PF UTG and check a Q high flop. It is highly suspicious. Had he led out the flop I would have felt better about going broke here. I am disappointed that I didn't trust my gut and read on this hand. Sometimes a hand history doesn't portray everything that you feel during the hand due to prior hands with villian, etc. I don't care how much of a cooler a hand is, if you KNOW you are beat sometimes you just have to fold. I have no problem with coolers, but sometimes you have to make the big fold, and this felt like the time to do it. I probably fold too much, but I don't think it hurts my bottom line. [/ QUOTE ] I think you are probably right. And as far as the hand goes it would have been a big fold for sure but given the history you have with him you can certainly argue a fold. Big folds are certainly a part of the game (last night I correctly folded a boat on the river) but of course you can start to develop MUBS if you aren't careful [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#18
05-08-2007, 12:38 PM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
This thread got hijacked. Original poster, you've gotta get it allin here. I'm guessing you did and got burnt by AA/66 (maybe both).
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#19
05-08-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
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[ QUOTE ] Here is a hand I played last night that I really think I should have gotten away from on the turn [/ QUOTE ] ROFL scared money? [/ QUOTE ] ummm....no..... since when is making a correct fold scared money? If he has QQ there half the time and AA-KK the other half, does this make it a call or does it make it a fold? Neither, it means that it really doesn't matter what you do, in the long run it is breakeven. PS sorry about the hijack.
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#20
05-08-2007, 01:03 PM
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Re: Lay Down a Set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here is a hand I played last night that I really think I should have gotten away from on the turn [/ QUOTE ] ROFL scared money? [/ QUOTE ] ummm....no..... since when is making a correct fold scared money? If he has QQ there half the time and AA-KK the other half, does this make it a call or does it make it a fold? Neither, it means that it really doesn't matter what you do, in the long run it is breakeven. PS sorry about the hijack. [/ QUOTE ] Not exactly... If his range is QQ+ : There are 12 combos of AA and KK and 3 combos of QQ. He is much more likely to have AA or KK. So, it isn't a break even thing.
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