River checkup

[ssmallz]

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Call - Seems like he's trying to act weak when he's really very strong. He could have top 2 or a set but when passive guys make it 3 bets I start to reveluate.

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Please disregard my post, I misread the board and didn't realize you had a boat. I 4 bet here

[PokerBob]

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fold.

EDIT: Before some of you start frothing at the mouth, I wouldn't REALLY fold. But running villain's speech thorugh the moron-translater, we find he is actually saying "This is so awesome. I have the STONE NUTS and cannot lose. SWEET."

Doing anything but calling is bad.

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ugh. i misread the board too. 4bet and then puke.

[Howard Beale]

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can he ever have 33 ? Seems like a line he could take with 33 also.

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You know, I didn't even think of that. Sure he could have that. Somehow those little pairs hitting sets get me every time. I just can't give people credit for hitting small sets on me (ME! Don't they respect my UTG raises at all?) Anyway, that sure does fall under the *he's got you crushed* department, so just call.

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we have JJJ right ? Sorry I just woke up, I'm cofused. What's the general plan on 4 betting when we probably beat some of his holdings, and he beats some of ours. I would just cry letting 333 get off the hook, but it really does smell like KT. I guess 3 bets is enough on the river, I'm no t that greedy.

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Re-read OP. 3's give him quads on the river.

Emerson:

*They* call MY UTG raises w/ little pairs all the time. Sometimes they hit their set. Nothing you can do about it.

Rest:

I feel the urge to 4-bet also but who wants to admit that they will fold to 5 in a typical live game? Be honest. I don't think that 4-betting is automatic and I really think you've got to be there to do it.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

Check/fold the flop. Other than that you played the hand well. I would 4 bet/call the river. I would need a very special read before I would consider 4bet/folding.

[AragornX151]

Definitely c/f flop. Unless this guy is so passive that he would often just call with QQ pre (which more players are than you'd think...they'd open with it, but just call a raise), a 4-bet seems good...but then again, is he really 3-betting KT? Again, some do...very player dependent. I would just call here more than most, as I find I'm getting 3-bet by a passive player here with worse much less often than one would think.

[The DaveR]

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Check/fold the flop.

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Do you play much live in small, insulated poker markets where bad play has been bred like glaucoma or webbed feet for the past 25 years? Here's my equity against their handranges:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

966,381,570 games 5.797 secs 166,703,738 games/sec

Board: Ac Qh 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.685% 49.46% 00.22% 478002886 2139426.67 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 25.158% 24.69% 00.47% 238584390 4535238.67 { random }
Hand 2: 25.158% 24.69% 00.47% 238584390 4535238.67 { random }

[Bad Lobster]

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Standard cast of passive characters in a live game. I open JJ UTG, three coldcalls including the BB.

Flop is AQ3r. I bet and get two callers.

Turn is a J. I bet, the guy behind me raises, we get HU and I call.

River is a 3 no flush. I cr, he thinks for a couple of seconds, and says, "One more just to be sure," and 3-bets. Call or 4-town?

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"Don't throw me in the brier patch!" That's tough...the dumb remark scares me too, but there's so many more ways he just made 3's full than that he beats you...bet 4 and call 5, I think.


Rules question - heads-up, he's allowed to go five bets. Is that rule standard in every casino, or is that one of those things you have to ask about every new place you play in?

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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Check/fold the flop.

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Do you play much live in small, insulated poker markets where bad play has been bred like glaucoma or webbed feet for the past 25 years? Here's my equity against their handranges:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

966,381,570 games 5.797 secs 166,703,738 games/sec

Board: Ac Qh 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.685% 49.46% 00.22% 478002886 2139426.67 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 25.158% 24.69% 00.47% 238584390 4535238.67 { random }
Hand 2: 25.158% 24.69% 00.47% 238584390 4535238.67 { random }

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I used to play in the weakest limit game in the world at Motor City casino in Detroit, Michigan until the games dried up once no limit took over. Im convinced that the best play in this situation with your hand is to just check/fold the flop. I could be wrong.

[private joker]

So nobody is questioning the turn? I might 3-bet here since he can have some 2-pair hands (AJ raises this turn, probably QJ too) and also 33. If he 4-bets you still have a 10-out redraw.

[emerson]

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Standard cast of passive characters in a live game. I open JJ UTG, three coldcalls including the BB.

Flop is AQ3r. I bet and get two callers.

Turn is a J. I bet, the guy behind me raises, we get HU and I call.

River is a 3 no flush. I cr, he thinks for a couple of seconds, and says, "One more just to be sure," and 3-bets. Call or 4-town?

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"Don't throw me in the brier patch!" That's tough...the dumb remark scares me too, but there's so many more ways he just made 3's full than that he beats you...bet 4 and call 5, I think.


Rules question - heads-up, he's allowed to go five bets. Is that rule standard in every casino, or is that one of those things you have to ask about every new place you play in?

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Its mostly 4 bets in California, 5 bets in Vegas.