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04-25-2007, 06:04 PM
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But there are lots of golf companies out there that make good stuff without the need for huge marketing budget and tour endorsement. They can pass these lower cost on to the consumer. Such is the nature of Chinesse production right now that these companies are only about 1 year behind the majors technology wise. Thats pretty good considering that you have Driver technology having leveled off in the last 3-5 years and irons not really changing significantly in the last 15. [/ QUOTE ] Where do you think the major companies' clubs are made? 
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#12
04-25-2007, 06:24 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If a company had the ability to make a product as good as the top name brands, why wouldn't they create their own brand identity and market it? [/ QUOTE ] There's already a glut in the high-end club market? Marketing is expensive? They can make more money selling inexpensive clubs? Why do we have generic food brands and drugs? [/ QUOTE ] Generic food and drugs are usually the same thing as the brand-names, and it's easy for people to tell the difference if they aren't. With knock-offs, 99% of the customers don't know whether the manufacturing quality is anywhere near the brand name. There's no "glut" in the high end market in golf. The golf industry just doesn't work that way. If you make a good club, get a few pros to use it on tour, then you'll have instant demand. Golfers are obsessed with what clubs the pros use. This type of marketing is not very expensive at all. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe this is true. I personally doubt that getting a few tour pros to use your product is inexpensive. The point that I was really trying to make in my orginial post is that if you can get knock-offs that are 95% as good as the real thing (or even 90%) at <half the price, maybe it's worth it. Not everyone wants to drop 6 or 7 hundred bucks on a new set of irons. I've never had a problem with my knock-offs. Maybe I got lucky. I still think it's a little much to say that people who play with knock-offs are rubes. Maybe we're just thrifty.
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#13
04-25-2007, 06:25 PM
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Re: Knock-offs
Very appropriate post coming from "CubicZirconia"
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04-26-2007, 12:52 AM
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[ QUOTE ] This is a function of weather you mean Knock-off or component. If it is called a Tailor-maid or Big-Bursar, then it is likely a peice of [censored]. But there are lots of golf companies out there that make good stuff without the need for huge marketing budget and tour endorsement. They can pass these lower cost on to the consumer. Such is the nature of Chinesse production right now that these companies are only about 1 year behind the majors technology wise. Thats pretty good considering that you have Driver technology having leveled off in the last 3-5 years and irons not really changing significantly in the last 15. Some good component/niche manufacturers are Aston, Bang, KZG, Golfsmith, Golfworks, SMT, Raven and Zero-Tolerance The Big companies generally make a good product, but they don't have a patent that on making "magic." [/ QUOTE ] Knock-offs and component companies are totally different things. Component companies as a whole have gotten an undeserved bad reputation because many knock-offs are also sold as components. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, I think you missed the "but" in my post. It is basically an articulation/justification of everything you are saying. Also if you would realize, every company I listed was a component manufacturer.
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04-26-2007, 12:59 AM
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Re: Knock-offs
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[ QUOTE ] But there are lots of golf companies out there that make good stuff without the need for huge marketing budget and tour endorsement. They can pass these lower cost on to the consumer. Such is the nature of Chinesse production right now that these companies are only about 1 year behind the majors technology wise. Thats pretty good considering that you have Driver technology having leveled off in the last 3-5 years and irons not really changing significantly in the last 15. [/ QUOTE ] Where do you think the major companies' clubs are made? [/ QUOTE ] China of course, but in general they are in their "own" foundries. I was refering to foundries a company will go to with a design and have it made. Actually some of these foundries have "stock" designs that just get branded and re-branded by different U.S. companies via small changes in aesthetics. My point was that manufacturing at these places has improved and they put out a good product, competitive with the big guys like Taylor-Made, Titleist, Callaway etc. Perhaps you should re-read my post. And Wishon is the sick.
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#17
04-26-2007, 06:30 AM
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Re: Knock-offs
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[ QUOTE ] This is a function of weather you mean Knock-off or component. If it is called a Tailor-maid or Big-Bursar, then it is likely a peice of [censored]. But there are lots of golf companies out there that make good stuff without the need for huge marketing budget and tour endorsement. They can pass these lower cost on to the consumer. Such is the nature of Chinesse production right now that these companies are only about 1 year behind the majors technology wise. Thats pretty good considering that you have Driver technology having leveled off in the last 3-5 years and irons not really changing significantly in the last 15. Some good component/niche manufacturers are Aston, Bang, KZG, Golfsmith, Golfworks, SMT, Raven and Zero-Tolerance The Big companies generally make a good product, but they don't have a patent that on making "magic." [/ QUOTE ] Knock-offs and component companies are totally different things. Component companies as a whole have gotten an undeserved bad reputation because many knock-offs are also sold as components. [/ QUOTE ]
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