(16) I hate this spot

[BustoPro]

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Sure, ya, you can assume that your opponents completely suck all the time and that they're cold calling ATCs. They are not though. I don't see A9- flat calling here or most other hands. A flat call in a position like this is often a sign of a monster.

This is a tough spot. Don't sound like you have this figured out. Spacegravy wouldn't be asking otherwise.

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Um, yeah, spacegravy is THE PWN, I like totally forgot, he's like better than raptor and stuff.

WTF if he doesn't put in a read I assume Villain's calling range is pretty wide because, yeah, people suck and stuff at the 16s, news flash for ya.

[Pudge714]

250>>>>>>>>>>>300 here.
By making it 250 you can c-bet flops without being committed.
As played bet 500 and call a shove.

[Kibby]

Spacegravy is one of the most winning players at this level. Do you disagree?

[spacegravy]

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250>>>>>>>>>>>300 here.
By making it 250 you can c-bet flops without being committed.
As played bet 500 and call a shove.

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haha i had the biggest feeling before i posted this pudge was gonna freak out on me for making it 300. The problem is that its too time comsuming to manually type in 250.

[AMT]

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250>>>>>>>>>>>300 here.
By making it 250 you can c-bet flops without being committed.
As played bet 500 and call a shove.

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haha i had the biggest feeling before i posted this pudge was gonna freak out on me for making it 300. The problem is that its too time comsuming to manually type in 250.

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agree with pudge....drop tables to stop spewing chips obv, I expect progress reports in vegas.

[beef1020]

shove preflop, and as played shove here. You are too shallow to play around.

[dipstikdave]

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250>>>>>>>>>>>300 here.
By making it 250 you can c-bet flops without being committed.
As played bet 500 and call a shove.

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haha i had the biggest feeling before i posted this pudge was gonna freak out on me for making it 300. The problem is that its too time comsuming to manually type in 250.

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wouldn't you save even more time by shoving pf?

[Kibby]

I actually don't mind shoving PF here.

[CheeseMoney]

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I actually don't mind shoving PF here.

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Kibby, I don't think that this is very +EV. You're pushing 13 bb, and if you put the button, sb, and bb on tt+, AQs, AKo only +0.4% EV, and if they call a little looser it quickly goes to zero (66+, ATs, AJo+). Im sure reads are tough when you're 25 tabling, but most donks aren't gonna be calling you with a weaker ace for 13 BBs. I'm looking for an edge whenever I push, and I'm not getting enough here. I raise to t250, and Spacegravy, if the raise amounts are tough to type, i recommend buying a multibutton mouse and programming the different raise amounts into it and binding it to a key.

[Seeeno]

Either 250 pf, ~or 235 or somthing, I liket his bets alot for more Fold Equity, these guys are thinking "wohoo, he not only clicked on the bar, but typed the number in the box"

Nevertheless, bet less preflop, or shove directly ... I'd shove with 13BB.