toughest hand lately - Page 2

fitnessfreak · #11 04-14-2007, 12:46 AM

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he can be valueshoving 98 here right? i dont know if i can fold this , he took a really weird line. why would he not raise the turn with a straight?

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its true he could also be value shoving JT, T7, 66, 88, KQ. he could also have K8, Q8, air etc etc.
however, in my experience a massive overbet such as this is almost always the nuts, or pretty close. i very much doubt he is shoving a worse hand for value. its true that the villian has taken a weird line, but i think that he frequently shows up with JT, T7 or a set here, more than enough of the time to make this a fold.

spino1i · #12 04-14-2007, 12:50 AM

The thing is, your either seeing a hand that has you beat (7T, QJ come to mind) or a bluff here, and I dont think he's bluffing enough here to justify a call.

I also like leading flop a lot here.

fitnessfreak · #13 04-14-2007, 12:54 AM

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The thing is, your either seeing a hand that has you beat (7T, QJ come to mind) or a bluff here, and I dont think he's bluffing enough here to justify a call.

I also like leading flop a lot here.

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agree w all of this. your hand is a bluff catcher on the river.

rica · #14 04-14-2007, 12:56 AM

why would you guys lead the flop? seems wrong to me

Bakes · #15 04-14-2007, 01:02 AM

i would lead the flop because there are many many hands he can raise you with to "protect" and also there are many semibluff hands.

rica · #16 04-14-2007, 02:08 AM

so i open bet the flop, he raises and i get it in?

WordWhiz · #17 04-14-2007, 02:29 AM

No, you bet the flop and then see what happens. Maybe he makes a small raise; maybe he calls; maybe he folds. But that's a dangerous flop even though you've made K's up. Betting is good for many reasons.

duh · #18 04-14-2007, 03:17 AM

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] could be played like this if he's a donk.

T7 also makes alot of sense b/c he would've turned a double gutty.

pepeman · #19 04-14-2007, 04:03 AM

If he already saw u calling a bluff earlier with a weak hand, he will definately think twice about bluffing you again because he knows u are cappable of making thin calls. He will most likely wait till he has a strong hand to play back at you and it seems like this is the case. Your hand is a bluff catcher in this spot, and you haven't put that much $ on the pot. I really like a fold here, I can see him having JT, T7 or maybe even QQ.