friend thinks party rigged - help with links/info to show otherwise - Page 2

Lestat · #11 02-15-2006, 11:13 AM

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It follows with careful logic that it would be a bad idea for party to rig their site. Party is rigged in one sense, they rake extreme amounts of money off of the table, but so does every other poker site. Other than that, they are fine and dandy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

blake

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I see this response all the time and can't follow the logic. If there were a way to make cards fall so that the poorer players had less -EV, it would certainly benefit a poker site to do so. To say it wouldn't is ludricrous.

btw- I am not say this is so, just that your reasoning that they wouldn't benefit a site makes no sense.

68Mustang · #12 02-15-2006, 11:22 AM

Everyone goes through the "online poker is rigged" phase till they learn how to play and understand poker beyond ESPN and the Travel Channel. The simple fact that we see tons of hands per hour compared to a live game is a key factor.

AncientPC · #13 02-15-2006, 11:50 AM

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Just find new friends ASAP.

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Lestat · #14 02-15-2006, 12:14 PM

I'm not saying it's rigged. I'm saying that it's most likely beyond your ability to prove or disprove whether it is.

Winning doesn't prove it's not and losing doesing prove it is.

Assani Fisher · #15 02-15-2006, 12:20 PM

Just tell him hes an idiot to believe that the largest and most profitable poker site in the world would risk everything just so they could rig the cards. Ask him what they would profit by doing this. Then explain to him the risks of them doing this(people finding out and losing your entire business). Then ask him if he thinks any reasonable company would take that risk/reward.

P.S. Why exactly does he believe that it is rigged? Send him on over here so we can berate him a bit

Lestat · #16 02-15-2006, 12:31 PM

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Just tell him hes an idiot to believe that the largest and most profitable poker site in the world would risk everything just so they could rig the cards. Ask him what they would profit by doing this. Then explain to him the risks of them doing this(people finding out and losing your entire business). Then ask him if he thinks any reasonable company would take that risk/reward.

P.S. Why exactly does he believe that it is rigged? Send him on over here so we can berate him a bit

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This is just silly. What would a poker site have to gain by developing a means that would allow poorer players to last longer in the games? How about MILLIONS of extra dollars!

I fully agree there isn't sufficient evidence to conclude it's rigged. But arguments like yours for why they can't be are just dumb.

crunchy1 · #17 02-15-2006, 12:34 PM

Real Macoy,

Your best course of action would be to keep him/her away from reading anything posted in the zoo.

Lestat · #18 02-15-2006, 12:44 PM

Do you even understand what I'm saying? It's like discussing whether God is or isn't. You're never going to prove it one way or the other. It's futile.

If you're making enough money playing online, then continue. If you're not, then either get better, or do something else. But the issue of whether sites are or aren't doing anything to increase THEIR edge is a winless debate.

crunchy1 · #19 02-15-2006, 12:47 PM

Are you talking to me?

Sqwrlking · #20 02-15-2006, 01:01 PM

How about this Lestat:

To keep the bad players playing longer, you have to make them win more often than they should, e.g. making them suckout more often than they should. This has a number of problems though:

1. Someone has to actually program this. Partypoker wouldn't want this to come out, but how can they guarantee that these programmers won't talk? It's extremely risky, and not worth it.

2. The Partypoker software has to actually know who are bad and who are good players. How are they going to quantify this? They would have to develop a perfect pokerbot that would follow every player at all times, and judge their play accordingly. To my knowledge, nobody has managed to make such a perfect bot.

3. Even if 2. was possible, there's another problem. Party has what, 70,000ish people playing at the same time? And I don't know how many players play there during a period like a month, but it likely several million. How many hand histories do these create? It's extremely unlikely that they have dedicated computers to just run through all the hand histories, trying to seperate the good from the bad.

4. Another way Party could rig the games, is to give several people premium hands, ensuring lots of action and probably getting the rake capped for that specific hand. The problem, of course, is that such hands would take much longer to play out. They won't really make more money, because even if they rake more in such hands, they take so long to play that two regular hands would probably rake the same. And if everyone kept getting great hands all the time, they'd get suspicious. So they probably can't do it more than a few times every hour at the most. This means even if these hands didn't take longer to play out, the reward vs. the risk would be minimal at best.

5. And let's not forget all the huge databases people have on Party. Some have several hundred thousand hands, some probably more than that. And nobody has ever managed to find any real evidence that the cards are different from what we statistically should assume. If Party was actually rigging the games, they'd have to do it so that the results where within the statistical errormargins, again making the reward much too small to be worth the risk.