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#11
03-10-2007, 05:30 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
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Hand 1: I raise a little less and call the push without a read that he is a nit. [/ QUOTE ] Why not open push if you're going to call the all in any way? 
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#12
03-10-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
You don't HAVE To shove JJ, but it is unexploitable and significantly +EV to push there.
With TT... I think this is a good case for a SnG. You very likely have no fold equity pre-flop, but maybe on the flop, and you definitely aren't folding TT anyways.
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#13
03-10-2007, 05:36 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
Hand 1 is clearly All-In or fold, and definitely read-dependent.
Hand 2 is standard, unless the button is a nit. BTW...games where you can have JJ or TT sooooted are RIGGED.
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#14
03-10-2007, 05:37 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
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With TT... I think this is a good case for a SnG. You very likely have no fold equity pre-flop, but maybe on the flop, and you definitely aren't folding TT anyways. [/ QUOTE ] Why do we need villain to fold? I think we have his range beat at this point.
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#15
03-10-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
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Why do we need villain to fold? [/ QUOTE ] Because it's the bubble of a tournament, and with an M of around 5, fold equity is our best friend.
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#16
03-10-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
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[ QUOTE ] Why do we need villain to fold? [/ QUOTE ] Because it's the bubble of a tournament, and with an M of around 5, fold equity is our best friend. [/ QUOTE ] This is a 1 table tournament, not a MTT. As long as villian is open raising more that 22% then pushing pf is +cEV.
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#17
03-10-2007, 05:47 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
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This is a 1 table tournament, not a MTT. As long as villian is open raising more that 22% then pushing pf is +cEV. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. But does not the concept of Magriel's "M" also apply to 1-table SnGs?
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#18
03-10-2007, 05:50 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
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[ QUOTE ] With TT... I think this is a good case for a SnG. You very likely have no fold equity pre-flop, but maybe on the flop, and you definitely aren't folding TT anyways. [/ QUOTE ] Why do we need villain to fold? I think we have his range beat at this point. [/ QUOTE ] We do have his range beat, I agree. But say he was A8 or KT. He is never folding for 1000 more pf. But, he'll most likely fold A8 on a QJ4 flop and KT on an A96 flop. When he does that, he misses out on the opportunity to hit one of his 3 outs on the turn or river. When we push pf, he gets to see the turn and river everytime.
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#20
03-10-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: ($16) JJs & TTs Poorly Played Pairs!?
How can anyone seriously suggest anything other than re-reraising all-in with a smile on our face on hand 1. I would raise to 2.5BB because I want action, I certainly wouldn't be open shoveing. Jacks is after all the 4th best opening hand in holdem'.
Hand 2 is close. We are only slightly ahead of SB and one blind steal would put them ahead. Against an average villian I think we have just enougth fold equity to make it a push. A good player however is not raising there with the intention of folding if one of the short stacks push, so we would have to fold to a good player.
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