Stars 5/10 AA hand - what to do on the flop

[Scuba Chuck]

When it gets to you, the pot is $75. Raising to $90 **feels** like you're betting more than pot, but look at it from your opponents perspective. UTG is looking at a $60 call into a $165 pot (2.75:1). UTG+1 is looking at a $60 call into a $225 pot (3.75:1).

I think you should tell your friend to adjust accordingly. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[Apathy]

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raise more preflop, first of all. this little rr is begging them to hit a set.

and i'd probably just fold the flop.

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this would be a terible flop fold.

[dtan05]

Apathy - You're felting every time here? Or are you raising/folding?

[JKratzer]

i fold flop, and am more worried by the call with pfrr left to act then the bet (although the bet isn't that awesome either).

[cha59]

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Apathy - You're felting every time here? Or are you raising/folding?

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I think if you ever raise this, it would have to be all in. Any other bet pot commits you and isnt going to get anyone to fold.

For the sake of discussion, lets says we know both villains are donkeys on very wide ranges and we opened for ~120-150. Does everyone still fold this flop?

[FiSheYe]

Given the current mistake PF, I like folding because we have to beat both players way too often to make a reraise-allin a good play.. We win 685$ if they fold but lose 887-1100 way too often. I hate folding aces here but you could easily be in a spot where UTG bet's QT (or worse case KsJs) while UTG1 has a set and wants you to raise to get it all going.. I think the UTG1 call is very dangerous and I dunno about the quality of 5/10 NL on Fulltilt but on those stakes I think we have to give them a little credit for their plays.
Let's do the correct play example
Pot is 75$ when it comes to you, I would definately raise it to 150.. You love to get a reraise and anyone callin you is in terrible shape. PLUS UTG and UTG+1 would make a big mistake by calling any small pocketpair here because they wouldn't get proper implied set odds! You're friend just asked for headache with his terrible PF raise.. As stated unless those are stupid donkey fold the flop because nobody is gonna call you unless they are at least a coinflip or better.. Shoving or raise is both -EV longterm, If you want to play on then calling might be possible.. but it's very tough to play on if a blank hits you're still way ahead and won't get money out of them or way behind and drawing to 2 outs at best.

[PJ94z]

Wow, I can't believe you people are telling him to FOLD AA.

He might be beat, but he could be up against KK - JJ, AK,AQ,KQ,QJ.

There are so many hands he beats. I can't fathom laying this down without any clear reads.

[FiSheYe]

The point is, how to proceed ? Calling and then what, either he won't get action or he will be way behind. If he shoves nobody is gonna call him with AQ because UTG has to fear UTG+1 and UTG+1 won't play for all his money with that hand.. So he is at best a slight fav if he is allin and get's called.. but I hardly doubt it.
Let's stove a little
Worse case scenario:
KsJs
TT
he has 2,8% winning chance..
Against AQ or KQ (doesn't matter opponent will fold anyways) and a set he has a 7,2% chance of winning.
Even one of them only has a KsJs he will be even money...
Against a Twopair he is a huge dog... Give all those scenarios he will only get an all in call by any of his opponents if they are super unreasonable idiots or if he is at best a coinflip and longterm a dog. Given those information it's a even clearer fold to me. Now what are your arguments ?

[jsnipes28]

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raise more preflop, first of all. this little rr is begging them to hit a set.

and i'd probably just fold the flop.

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this would be a terible flop fold.

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notice this is full ring also.

i think flop is probably a fold tho given two opponents, and obv as everyone else has said rr larger. pl are not afraid to invest 15-20% of their stack with any pair pf

[MTBlue]

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raise more preflop, first of all. this little rr is begging them to hit a set.

and i'd probably just fold the flop.

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this would be a terible flop fold.

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