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#11
12-06-2006, 01:38 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
Hmm it looks the hand got more attention from the morning crew. Well the correct play has to bet a flop push. My implied odds is marginal if I hit. Anyway the hand went like this: the turn brought a diamond, check check; river another diamond, he c/f to my push [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
My guess is he's got a weak jack or less likely an over pair. Definitely no diamonds, tho. 
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#12
12-06-2006, 01:41 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So what if he has KJ, or a lower flush draw? I don't get it. Shove flop and you will only get called by hands that have you beat and all hands that you beat will fold. Whats the point??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Our hand has tremendous value and a push gives us FE in situation where FE is the last thing we want. So in in conclusion: flop push = g00t, turn push = great. [/ QUOTE ] People will call you here with nearly all PP's (yes seriously) any J and any draw. He's shortstacked and put in 1/3 of his stack in on the flop, he's looking to get it in not fold... [/ QUOTE ] you've made an argument for why he might call a majority of the time. but now tell me how a call/turnpush is inferior. [/ QUOTE ] Because he might have KJ with no diamond and will fold to a turn push? Seriously, just get it in.
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#13
12-06-2006, 01:43 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So what if he has KJ, or a lower flush draw? I don't get it. Shove flop and you will only get called by hands that have you beat and all hands that you beat will fold. Whats the point??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Our hand has tremendous value and a push gives us FE in situation where FE is the last thing we want. So in in conclusion: flop push = g00t, turn push = great. [/ QUOTE ] People will call you here with nearly all PP's (yes seriously) any J and any draw. He's shortstacked and put in 1/3 of his stack in on the flop, he's looking to get it in not fold... [/ QUOTE ] you've made an argument for why he might call a majority of the time. but now tell me how a call/turnpush is inferior. [/ QUOTE ] Because his range is very wide, if the turn is a diamond are you folding to a push? If yes you lose value against pairs (those WILL push on a diamond turn). If you are calling the turn push on a diamond turn you are paying of draws however.
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#14
12-06-2006, 01:44 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So what if he has KJ, or a lower flush draw? I don't get it. Shove flop and you will only get called by hands that have you beat and all hands that you beat will fold. Whats the point??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Our hand has tremendous value and a push gives us FE in situation where FE is the last thing we want. So in in conclusion: flop push = g00t, turn push = great. [/ QUOTE ] People will call you here with nearly all PP's (yes seriously) any J and any draw. He's shortstacked and put in 1/3 of his stack in on the flop, he's looking to get it in not fold... [/ QUOTE ] you've made an argument for why he might call a majority of the time. but now tell me how a call/turnpush is inferior. [/ QUOTE ] Because his range is very wide, if the turn is a diamond are you folding to a push? If yes you lose value against pairs (those WILL push on a diamond turn). If you are calling the turn push on a diamond turn you are paying of draws however. [/ QUOTE ] We have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
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#15
12-06-2006, 01:52 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So what if he has KJ, or a lower flush draw? I don't get it. Shove flop and you will only get called by hands that have you beat and all hands that you beat will fold. Whats the point??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Our hand has tremendous value and a push gives us FE in situation where FE is the last thing we want. So in in conclusion: flop push = g00t, turn push = great. [/ QUOTE ] People will call you here with nearly all PP's (yes seriously) any J and any draw. He's shortstacked and put in 1/3 of his stack in on the flop, he's looking to get it in not fold... [/ QUOTE ] you've made an argument for why he might call a majority of the time. but now tell me how a call/turnpush is inferior. [/ QUOTE ] Because his range is very wide, if the turn is a diamond are you folding to a push? If yes you lose value against pairs (those WILL push on a diamond turn). If you are calling the turn push on a diamond turn you are paying of draws however. [/ QUOTE ] We have the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] right...Misread the board, I thought it was 2 diamonds and a heart. Than I like a push on the flop even more because pairs are folding if the turn brings another diamond.
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#16
12-06-2006, 02:04 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
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People will call you here with nearly all PP's (yes seriously) any J and any draw. He's shortstacked and put in 1/3 of his stack in on the flop, he's looking to get it in not fold... [/ QUOTE ] Because a diamond will kill you action. you've made an argument for why he might call a majority of the time. but now tell me how a call/turnpush is inferior. [/ QUOTE ]
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#17
12-06-2006, 02:15 PM
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Re: PS 100NL 6max AJo against a short stack
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Because he might have KJ with no diamond and will fold to a turn push? Seriously, just get it in. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I think a turn [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] will very often kill your action. So yes, get it in on the flop. Villain's call range on the flop is wider than on the turn.
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