Consciousness and free will - Page 2

Skidoo · #11 11-23-2006, 07:30 PM

Are you saying there's an invisible force compelling me to type these words?

The once and future king · #12 11-23-2006, 08:08 PM

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The assumption of a unified identity is allways present in the question of consciousness and free will.

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Is there more than one you? If so, can you communicate with each other?

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Now you are just making the assumption of many unified identities.

The once and future king · #13 11-23-2006, 08:10 PM

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Are you saying there's an invisible force compelling me to type these words?

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If the motivation for you to type these words is visible, please describe it us.

Skidoo · #14 11-23-2006, 08:20 PM

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The assumption of a unified identity is allways present in the question of consciousness and free will.

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Is there more than one you? If so, can you communicate with each other?

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Now you are just making the assumption of many unified identities.

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I'm not sure what a dis-unified personal identity would look like.

Skidoo · #15 11-23-2006, 08:25 PM

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Are you saying there's an invisible force compelling me to type these words?

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If the motivation for you to type these words is visible, please describe it us.

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It's not visible, but I have no reason to suspect it originates outside of me.

vhawk01 · #16 11-23-2006, 08:38 PM

Wouldnt he take exception to both the "I" and "me" in that statement?

valenzuela · #17 11-23-2006, 08:42 PM

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free will doesn't exist in the way most people think of it. it is merely the ability to act upon the decisions that we are predestined to make. we do not have the ability to make choices in life that are independent of (1) the traits with which we are born, (2) anything learned/developed through our enviornment, and (3) anything granted to us directly by some sort of higher power.

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QFT

Skidoo · #18 11-23-2006, 08:48 PM

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Wouldnt he take exception to both the "I" and "me" in that statement?

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What a show-stopper.

vhawk01 · #19 11-23-2006, 09:15 PM

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Wouldnt he take exception to both the "I" and "me" in that statement?

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What a show-stopper.

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I'm not sure if that was some shot at me or if you don't know what a show-stopper is.

DougShrapnel · #20 11-23-2006, 11:07 PM

Keith, I believe you are right more so then people who say free will exist or free will doesn't exist. Howerver, the choice of the word predestined is lacking in reason if you hold the thoughts you appear to have. It's a minor nit but important.