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#11
10-31-2006, 04:12 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
I don't mind raising, as it'll drive out SB and get you HU with position on BB.
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#12
10-31-2006, 04:15 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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yeah the debate here is obviously whether to call or raise. the big issue with a raise, atleast for me at the time, was that i had no info on him once someone showed resistance. i know he was taking stabs at pots, but i dont know if i raise here how often he'll 3 bet me big on a bluff and put me to the test. and he's the type who will double barrel, so obviously that benefits a call. i dont think raising here is bad, though, and id love to here more responses on the pros and cons of each. [/ QUOTE ] Well - wouldn't you rather find out how he handles resistance NOW rather than later when it's more expensive?... Your hand is just NOT strong enough to allow for multi-way action, sB may come along with a variety of holdings if we just call, so I say raise.
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#13
10-31-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
I think this is a pretty easy raise.
We don't have a hand yet. We have a GREAT draw, but nothing made. Raise it to about 800-1k and if you get re-raised I would repop it to 3x his bet or just push. If you don't get any action that is also good as like I said before, we don't have a made hand yet.
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#14
10-31-2006, 05:29 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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Your hand is just NOT strong enough to allow for multi-way action, sB may come along with a variety of holdings if we just call, so I say raise. [/ QUOTE ] If SB calls we have more $ in the pot and more players for when we hit our draw. Is that a bad thing? But I agree it might be better to see where we are at now rather than on the turn.
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#15
10-31-2006, 05:31 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
Not necessarily, given that you have position throughout the hand. It does make the turn a little trickier to play, but that's action-dependent.
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#16
10-31-2006, 05:32 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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If SB calls we have more $ in the pot and more players for when we hit our draw. Is that a bad thing? [/ QUOTE ] If SB has two bigger diamonds it is a very bad thing....
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#17
10-31-2006, 05:34 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] If SB calls we have more $ in the pot and more players for when we hit our draw. Is that a bad thing? [/ QUOTE ] If SB has two bigger diamonds it is a very bad thing.... [/ QUOTE ] Is he folding two big diamonds to a raise? I think he'd probably gamble 750-1k with a 15k stack with overcards and a nice flush draw. Then again, my read on his was tight, unimaginative, so its tough. He might fold it, I'm not sure.
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#18
10-31-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
Wouldn't he be more likely to go for a c/r, given action thus far in the hand?
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#19
10-31-2006, 05:41 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If SB calls we have more $ in the pot and more players for when we hit our draw. Is that a bad thing? [/ QUOTE ] If SB has two bigger diamonds it is a very bad thing.... [/ QUOTE ] Is he folding two big diamonds to a raise? I think he'd probably gamble 750-1k with a 15k stack with overcards and a nice flush draw. Then again, my read on his was tight, unimaginative, so its tough. He might fold it, I'm not sure. [/ QUOTE ] If his call was closing the action he would call for sure but with BB still to act I really think a tight/unimaginative player would find a fold there especially if he doesn't have the Ace - I could be very wrong though
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#20
10-31-2006, 05:44 PM
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Re: 57s, rather deep stacked , $200 buy in Live MTT
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If SB calls we have more $ in the pot and more players for when we hit our draw. Is that a bad thing? [/ QUOTE ] If SB has two bigger diamonds it is a very bad thing.... [/ QUOTE ] Is he folding two big diamonds to a raise? I think he'd probably gamble 750-1k with a 15k stack with overcards and a nice flush draw. Then again, my read on his was tight, unimaginative, so its tough. He might fold it, I'm not sure. [/ QUOTE ] If his call was closing the action he would call for sure but with BB still to act I really think a tight/unimaginative player would find a fold there especially if he doesn't have the Ace - I could be very wrong though [/ QUOTE ] From my read on him he would definitley be on the fence with a KdJd type of hand. I'm leaning towards believing hed fold it, but its not a strong lean. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] BTW, I'll post the turn action in a little bit. Edit: So do we all agree that if re-raised by BB that this is an automatic 4-bet?
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