NFL Week 4(YTD: 47-40-3, +51.7 units)

[Assani Fisher]

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Assani,

Sir this is great stuff, but what I'd really like to know is if you are actually betting these picks. Are they the exact units that you post? Do you bet with a sportsbook or a friend? If you bet with a friend is his name Anthony? Can I be your friend?

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[CharlieDontSurf]

Af..if on the GB game u had accidentally typed 300 units instead of 3...would you have then bet $300 on them to win eventhough it was a typo?

[BobJoeJim]

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Af..if on the GB game u had accidentally typed 300 units instead of 3...would you have then bet $300 on them to win eventhough it was a typo?

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And would your friend who said "LOL...just bet with me dude. I could care less about $1, and that way you'd get them off your back." take said $300 bet?

[Thremp]

Why do you use sportsbook lines and not Anthony lines?

[JimDrang]

Anthony's lines are ridic sharp. I used that guy in the past and he is ruthless.

[AFH24]

so did you actually bet $55 with Anthony or did you just count it as $1?

[Performify]

couple comments for EVERYONE:

1) freerollin' had some good points above. Just wanted to acknowlede his POV.

2) Everyone can and should be civil, regardless of your anonymity on this forum. Its one thing to post a comment and have it be acknowledge. Its another to continually hassle someone. Its an internet forum. Its not that big of a deal.

3) Anyone is welcome to come here and post pick and analysis regardless of how much they are betting per game, or if they're betting at all. Especially so if he's disclosing the stakes he's wagering (or that he's not betting on them, whatever). Its not like people are going to come along and think he's betting $10k a game, its been pretty well covered these past few weeks. And all of you blasting him for it, you all know what's up as well. So what's the deal?

4) if you don't like what he's trying to do, don't click on the thread. it is easy enough to ignore any given thread when its clearly titled with his name next to it. Same deal with responding - you're actually bumping the thread, making more people read it, etc.

5) There is no number five.

6) Assani, the whole "oops I'll do a 55 unit thing" last week was a little shady, and its understandable that you're being called out on it. Tracking it in does give you this massive bit of variance in your ROI that really shouldn't be there unless you really meant to place it. Especially considering last week should have been a slight loser for you, except for that one massive wager that was, what, half of your wagers last week? I know we talked on how not tracking juice can hurt what it is that you're trying to do, by giving you a false sense of success by showing a greater ROI than it should be - these way offsize bets are the same thing and in fact are generally worse. Its like pushing a random hand on a play money poker table to double up. Sure you're content to push there when its fake, but will you put real money in play like that? Most people won't, and to try to say that you did it because it was just a typo when you could have certainly corrected it and stuck with the correction if it was indeed a mistake, that's not the best move.

I'm not saying delete it, you acknowledged it and such. But one of the things that play money cappers tend to do is increase their bet size, often tremendously, when they start losing, to equalize. Most real money gamblers don't have the stakes to do this. Just letting you know, trying to do that later in the season if things go south won't be well regarded.

7) If we do ever get to a point where this forum is overrun with fake picks and analysis and such, we'll deal with it. Beleive me. But right now, there's certainly room for one guy, who's by no means a newbie to 2+2, to come in and follow the picks posting rules (he's committed to tracking juice going forward, as I understand it) and post his thoughts and discussion. I'm not going to stop someone from doing something just because it MIGHT become a problem in the future - its not a problem now. if it becomes a problem, it will be dealt with.

As I said to him and you guys before, i'd rather have someone post $1 picks with thoughts and discussion than someone betting $10k a pick just posting their plays without any thoughts. You're not going to learn anything from someone just posting a line, unless you can reverse engineer your way inside their picks strategy. And that's why we're all here: to learn and to share information, to try to become more succesful sports bettors.

8) that's not to say someone just posting picks isn't welcome either, but really the discussion that a pick can generate is 10x more valueable than just a log of picks. After all if you roll in and post a couple good weeks, you might get some fellow degenerates following your picks, but where does it benefit you who are posting your picks? It doesn't - so you'll either end up being successful in posting picks and quit posting them for free (and any attempt to turn in to a tout will just get you banned), or you'll have a mediocre record and no one will pay any attention.

I post my picks on this forum, after I lock them in and discuss them with a close group of advisors, because I find the discussion that is generated to be of value. There are several occurances I can specifically enumerate where discussion on a pick has changed my mind and allowed me to hedge off risk or reverse my position succesfully. Especially so in boxing and MMA in the past, more rare in football because I'm usually highly confident by the time my NFL picks go up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but I always welcome the feedback because it helps me for the next week and helps me to examine my thought processes to see if I'm over/under valuing factors, teams, players, etc.

/ranting hijack

[Assani Fisher]

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Af..if on the GB game u had accidentally typed 300 units instead of 3...would you have then bet $300 on them to win eventhough it was a typo?

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If I wasn't made aware of the typo before the game went off, then no I wouldn't have counted it. If I came back in the thread and saw it, then I would make a decision about how much I wanted to bet....I would be sure to let people know how much I was going to bet so there was no doubt as to my intentions whatsoever.

[CharlieDontSurf]

I don't mind anything he has posted...but the betting 55 units simply based on typo basically caused me to no longer take anything he posts seriously.

[Assani Fisher]

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so did you actually bet $55 with Anthony or did you just count it as $1?

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$55