NYC - Locking threads

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2 + 2 is a privately owned site. You don't have a "right" to anything the owners don't want posted here. If you don't like the policies of this site, you should find a site whose policies are more to your liking or start your own site.

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TT,

I understand your desire to protect the New York scene and the various rooms. I even understand your stance about the owner's wishes, and how they take a great deal of risk.

However, we all come to this board to get information. If a place plans to reopen, and has been robbed twice, dont I have a right to know that? By patronizing the room, I'm taking risks too.

Not trying to give you a hard time, really. But I wish you wouldnt be so quick to lock a thread like that as it's information I'd like to know to take into account whether I want to patronize a place.

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1) We are protecting more than just NYC games, we are protecting games anywhere in any state where the law is not favorable for the owner of the game or private club. This would include places such as Boston, Florida, Texas, and any other state where players are being prosecuted and game owners are losing their source of income.

2) Private clubs are private for a reason. You can't patronize a private club without the permission of the owner, so the argument that information should be made available here is invalid, although I actually do see your point of view and think its valid. But imagine if you owned a card club and it was raided in part because of information that they found at 2+2... would your opinion change? I know from first hand experience when I was caught in a raid that the police were monitoring Craig's List and 2+2 for information, the detective literally told me so during my interview (every player was interview, photographed, and their ID recorded and checked for outstanding warrants).

3) Normally if too much information is released about a club in this forum without the owners permission then I remove the thread completely. In the case of the Salami scenario, if you notice I just locked it as a precaution but allowed it to remain because there was nothing that horrible in the thread. I'll continue to follow this strategy unless it gets out of control. But the best bet is to just avoid the topic so we don't unintentionally hurt anyone in real life.

4) About the robbery, there are a few facts that most of you may not be aware of.
* The room has been open in one form or another for more than 40 years. There have been many owners, it is legally a social club.
* The room has experienced much more than just 2 robberies I have been told. Last year people were hurt.

5) This policy was in part the reason why I was selected as a mod for this forum, I made my intentions clear in advance and received support for it.

In closing I know this can be frustrating for those who want information about private games and turn to the 2+2 B&M forums for this info, I actually do feel for the people who cannot seem to get on "the inside". If the laws of our land were changed to declare poker a legal game of skill of course we probably wouldn't have this concern, but for now I hope you all understand that this policy actually protects us more than it hurts us.

thanks for your support...

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[jtr]

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(every player was interviewed, photographed , and their ID recorded and checked for outstanding warrants).

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I hope you looked good!

[mrkilla]

Theres one thing I always said.
If you (we) play in NY we run the risk of being Hijacked or Raided.


Just FWIW as well, theres a room that always seems to be reported as getting Raided or Hijacked or a Fight or something when its simply not the case.

[IgorSmiles]

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Youre being arguementative and missing the point.


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No. You are missing the point.
The Owner doesn't want his business discussed in public.
If you want information, go to the club in question and ask.
Or PM another member and ask.
Or start your own cardroom and discuss it here.

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How would I ask for information if I dont know it happened? I only know it happened when I found out here, and once the thread is gone, those who didnt read it wont ever know.

[IgorSmiles]

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2 + 2 is a privately owned site. You don't have a "right" to anything the owners don't want posted here. If you don't like the policies of this site, you should find a site whose policies are more to your liking or start your own site.

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You are correct. But the club owners dont have a "right" to have their information protected either. That is TT's decision.

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Youre being arguementative and missing the point.


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No. You are missing the point.
The Owner doesn't want his business discussed in public.
If you want information, go to the club in question and ask.
Or PM another member and ask.
Or start your own cardroom and discuss it here.

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How would I ask for information if I dont know it happened? I only know it happened when I found out here, and once the thread is gone, those who didnt read it wont ever know.

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The point is they don't want anyone to know what happened unless your a member. members only. Its better for us all in the long run, although I admit in the short run its not necessarily the best option. Keep in mind that Craig's List is unmoderated, your free to ask there although its rare to get qualified responses.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[IgorSmiles]

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TT,

I4) About the robbery, there are a few facts that most of you may not be aware of.
* The room has been open in one form or another for more than 40 years. There have been many owners, it is legally a social club.
* The room has experienced much more than just 2 robberies I have been told. Last year people were hurt.



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All the more reason for sharing the information. Obviously, there are inherant risks in any and all the clubs, but if people are getting robbed and hurt, why is the priority to protect the cardroom and not warn other players? If the room is reopening they are happily taking our money without regard to our safety, why is the stance of 2+2 to protect their intersts rather than ours?

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The point is they don't want anyone to know what happened unless your a member. members only. Its better for us all in the long run, although I admit in the short run its not necessarily the best option. Keep in mind that Craig's List is unmoderated, your free to ask there although its rare to get qualified responses.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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I can see both sides of the question.

As someone who has played with some regularity in the NYC clubs, I certainly don't want games being busted.

However, as someone who has played with some regularity in the NYC clubs, I certainly want to know about things that may affect my personal safety.

Yes, the clubs are private or "members only" but we're not talking Skull and Bones level of exclusivity here either.

Seems to me that the policy of prohibiting contact info and location specifics is a fairer way of approaching the issue. My opinion.

[MRBAA]

As a former fairly frequent player at the late, lamented Playstation and NYPC, as well as one or two others also now gone, the state of NYC poker is now such that I NEVER play in clubs. I still get emails and could easily do so, but the police pressure has effectively made it impossible to run a really good place. The best clubs I know of now are tiny -- 2 tables. Who would want to play with just a few regulars who mainly know each other? The other places are shady, risky or just crummy. Not to mention in constant danger of getting raided. I still believe the NYPC management was the main reason for the crackdown, you simply can't run a large poker room wide open without attracting unwanted attention. But whatever the reasons, club poker in New York is simply not worth the hassle, and won't be until the police ease up.