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Old 09-19-2006, 09:10 AM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

Re-raise pre-flop and lead any flop for 3/4 pot. If you are called or raised you are beat over 90% of the time against the average NL$100 player.
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Old 09-19-2006, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

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Not a good spot to C/R b/c we ONLY have TPTK and the board has multiple draws out there.

As played bet 12 and go from there.

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Do most people reraise here pflop? I 70%ish time call in the blinds esp. if it could be multiway as TPTK on these type drawy boards OOP I find hard to play.

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Yes, fairly standard to 3 bet pre flop here for a number of reasons:

1)Likely that you have the best hand
2)Lets you take control of the hand. If we just flat call PF, then it becomes diffcult to win the hand without hiting the board. If we 3 bet we can often take down the pot with a Cbet.

However, IMO calling PF is not bad w/o a read on the players and how the table is playing overall. I personally tend to play a bit slower when I'm new to a table.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:37 AM
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However, IMO calling PF is not bad w/o a read on the players and how the table is playing overall. I personally tend to play a bit slower when I'm new to a table.

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This is the main reason I called here PF.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

what if he raises the bet on the flop?
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:46 AM
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calling pf here is terrible, you need to Iso / win the pot right here.

on this flop c/r is fine, he has a tonne of hands he can 3-bet you all in, since a c/r "Could be KJ".

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Old 09-19-2006, 11:52 AM
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nh then. c/r is bad here IMO.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

Bet, it makes life easier on later streets.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

I like just calling preflop because you don't want to play a big pot here. Reraising builds a large pot.

On the flop, I would check, planning to check-raise allin. If someone has a king, they will almost surely bet it and you can push, hoping to get called by a worse king or flush draw. If it is checked around, that's fine too because it will keep the pot small, and you can bet the turn.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

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calling pf here is terrible, you need to Iso / win the pot right here.

on this flop c/r is fine, he has a tonne of hands he can 3-bet you all in, since a c/r "Could be KJ".

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Could you explain both of these statements a little better? I do RR here often, but I don't think the pf call is "terrible" by any means.

On the flop, I don't want it to get checked around, and I definitely don't want to play for my stack here against two unknowns by making a huge C/R. I just don't see how trying to get AI here is a great idea.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Basic AK situation I froze on, NL100

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calling pf here is terrible, you need to Iso / win the pot right here.

on this flop c/r is fine, he has a tonne of hands he can 3-bet you all in, since a c/r "Could be KJ".

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Dude...what?

I'm not going to argue that rr pre flop is bad (its obv not), but I don't see calling vs a complete unknown as "terrible."

And on the flop, why are you so anxious to play for stacks here? We have NO READS on how this guy plays. The LAST thing I want is to c/r and get 3 bet AI on the flop. We have TPTK - why should we want to play for 100bb's vs an unknown?

Not to mention checking gives our opponent the opp to take a free card on a very drawy board.
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